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Old 4/19/08, 6:38 PM
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I have been put on the spot to provide a code reference. 3ft clear for incoming service with 4:12 slope. Does anyone have the NEC ref. and year implimented?
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Old 4/19/08, 6:54 PM
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That mast should be 18" off the roof deck. Don't have code handy, but then again I don't do code inspections. Have you asked the electricain to put on his letter head with his cert # and sign it that this is OK? I have yet to see one of these letters when I ask for them.
my bad it would be 36" 3504.2.1ex2



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Old 4/19/08, 6:55 PM
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230.24 Clearances
Service-drop conductors must be located so that they are not readily accessible, and they must comply with the following clearance requirements:
(A) Above Roofs. Overhead service conductors must maintain a minimum clearance of 8 ft above the surface of a roof for a minimum distance of 3 ft in all directions from the edge of the roof.

Exception No. 2: Where the voltage does not exceed 300V between conductors, overhead conductor clearances from the roof can be reduced from 8 ft to 3 ft, if the slope of the roof exceeds 4 in. in 12 in.

Exception No. 3: If the voltage between conductors does not exceed 300V, the conductor clearance over the roof overhang can be reduced from 8 ft to 1.5 ft, if no more than 6 ft of overhead conductors pass over no more than 4 ft of roof overhang, and the conductors terminate at a through-the-roof raceway or approved support. Figure 230-10 230-24Ax3.cdr

Exception No. 4: The 3 ft vertical clearance that extends from the roof does not apply when the point of attachment is on the side of the building below the roof.



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Old 4/19/08, 6:56 PM
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http://codecheck.com/images/CC5thEdSample.pdf



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Old 4/19/08, 7:03 PM
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WHAT?

I wouldn't recommend even going in that direction. You called it out and now the sellers can get an electrician out there to confirm and correct this installation. It doesn't even meet the 18 inch clearance from the drip loop.

Since he thinks he knows what he is talking about, ask him exactly where he is getting his information from.

I know your are looking from when it was included (I don't have that information)but E3504.2.1 is where you can find it in the IRC book also.

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Old 4/19/08, 7:05 PM
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That's also what appears to be a PVC weatherhead installed on RMC or IMC in a nonconforming manner.
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Old 4/19/08, 7:08 PM
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Kevin's got it right I don't quote code but I like knowing where the requirements come from.

I guess it depends on who is challenging you.
Let the electrician take the liability.
You called it out as a concern/safety issue in your opinion.



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I have been put on the spot to provide a code reference. 3ft clear for incoming service with 4:12 slope. Does anyone have the NEC ref. and year implimented?
It looks newer, when do you think it was installed?
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Old 4/19/08, 7:15 PM
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I am being called out by the listing agent who said I am maufacturing defects and have cause $500 damage to another home (blatent lie). He is denying my recomendation of further evaluation by an electrician. 1953 abortion remodel by the all structures licenced contractor who is the homeowner. I need the reference just to get it evaluated. Here is the rest of the service conduit and some other photos you will love. oops pushed wrong button.
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Old 4/19/08, 7:21 PM
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Its raining, having sattelite problems. More to come.
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Old 4/19/08, 7:22 PM
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Honestly Karl....I would simply state what you see, give your recommendations and CASH you check and move on......You simply can't comply with ignorance and you most certainly cant FIX stupid.



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Old 4/19/08, 7:27 PM
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Old 4/19/08, 7:30 PM
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Paul, how does that fix their refusal to allow furter evaluation nd the threats to sue me for manufactring defects? I don't know what happened the system won't let me upload any more pics.
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Old 4/19/08, 7:32 PM
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Karl,

The service drop and weatherhead are the least of this homes problems.

Run away, run away.


P.S. I think it's limited to 5 pics per post.



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