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When is it ok to put ground and neutrel on same bus bar.
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If the panel was located at a separate structure and they were under the 2005 (I believe) or earlier versions of the NEC.
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If the panel was located at a separate structure and they were under the 2005 (I believe) or earlier versions of the NEC.
... and there are no other metallic paths (connections) between the structures, i.e. metal conduit, metal piping, cables/low voltage wiring, fencing, etc.



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... and there are no other metallic paths (connections) between the structures, i.e. metal conduit, metal piping, cables/low voltage wiring, fencing, etc.
Yes that's true. I was focusing on the requirement applying to separate structures. If the structures are not separate then I don't think that it was ever permitted.
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... and there are no other metallic paths (connections) between the structures, i.e. metal conduit, metal piping, cables/low voltage wiring, fencing, etc.
A difficult thing to determine during a home inspection, so refer it to a sparky.



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A difficult thing to determine during a home inspection, so refer it to a sparky.
That has always been my position as an inspector.



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When is it ok to put ground and neutrel on same bus bar.

In any enclosure that contains the service disconnect is the only place where this is permitted except in earlier editions of the NEC where a remote building is supplied by a three wire feeder and another grounding electrode system is established.



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Default Re: NEUTRAL and ground together in sub panel

Thank you , Mr Whitt. I have one more question, this remote well I am hooking up is a 3 wire connection and I was wondering if I could use a single pole 120/230 breaker.
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Thank you , Mr Whitt. I have one more question, this remote well I am hooking up is a 3 wire connection and I was wondering if I could use a single pole 120/230 breaker.
Is this a home project or is it related to an inspection?
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It is an inspection,thank you.
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Default Re: NEUTRAL and ground together in sub panel

A single pole breaker will only supply 120, not 240.

A tandem will allow two circuits of 120.
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That has always been my position as an inspector.
Good to know and note taken.
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Is this a home project or is it related to an inspection?
Why do they sell a single pole 120/230 breaker if it cant do what it says:
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Why do they sell a single pole 120/230 breaker if it cant do what it says:
Not sure I understand, where are you finding a 120/230 volt circuit breaker? If anything a slash rated breaker would be 120/240 not 230.
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Default Re: NEUTRAL and ground together in sub panel

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Why do they sell a single pole 120/230 breaker if it cant do what it says:
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What I am hooking up is a 3 wire connection and I was wondering if I could use a single pole 120/230 breaker.
Ask your self, where would I connect 3 wires at a panel with a single pole breaker?

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