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Old 3/24/08, 6:19 PM
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Must have been a US or local preference. Worked under electrician for 3 years in 1970's and have been inspecting since 1984, never have seen one....maybe they were already replaced!!!
Where, exactly, are you that you havn't seen one of these? Yukon Territory?
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Old 3/24/08, 9:03 PM
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Where, exactly, are you that you havn't seen one of these? Yukon Territory?

WAY TOO COLD!!!! Nova Scotia. I worked in New Brunswick until 1992.

Wonder if people in Maine have seen 'em??
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Old 3/24/08, 9:09 PM
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WAY TOO COLD!!!! Nova Scotia. I worked in New Brunswick until 1992.
No wonder you haven't seen them. I didn't even realize people in Nova Scotia used electricity. I bet they didn't power you guys up until 1988.
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Old 3/24/08, 9:13 PM
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Where, exactly, are you that you havn't seen one of these? Yukon Territory?
I expect they where never approved for use In Canada .
I too do not remember ever seeing one.
We do many things different in Canada.
Example Grounds and neutral are kept separate all through the system each has its own buss .
The Neutral is only connected to the Ground Once at Main Panel.

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Old 3/24/08, 9:18 PM
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We do many things different in Canada.
Example Grounds and neutral are kept separate all through the system each has its own buss .
The Neutral is only connected to the Ground Once at Main Panel.
You're gonna have to slow down, Roy. I'm trying to take all this in. I'm still getting over the fact that people in Canada have electricity.
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Old 3/25/08, 12:31 PM
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If you've never seen a "main and range, plus four" fuse panel, you havn't seen much. I'd say that style of panel was installed for much longer than any style of breaker panel you'll ever see. We're talking many decades.
It is very typical in Midwest area as well i did see some fuse box more than 60 year old and very rare i can see one is super good shape but once a while i will get into oddball 200 amp main fused box one home i used to live before it have that set up use large 200 amp cartage fuse for main IIRC i think that box listed to use up either 30 or 32 fuses total with combo of plug and cartage [ both 30 and 60 amp size ]

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Old 3/27/08, 11:06 AM
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From what I can see the fuse block on the left is the main, The amperage of that fuse or the feeder size or meeter size whichever is lowest is the amp size. The range main feeds the sub feed panel and has no bearing on the amp size of the panel.



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Old 3/27/08, 1:43 PM
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From what I can see the fuse block on the left is the main, The amperage of that fuse or the feeder size or meeter size whichever is lowest is the amp size. The range main feeds the sub feed panel and has no bearing on the amp size of the panel.
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Correct...
Actually this is most likely INcorrect. See post #49.
There are TWO "main" fuse blocks.

This seemed to be all cleared up many posts ago.
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Old 3/27/08, 5:07 PM
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It appears to me the fused panel on the left is the main. It has incoming #3 Awg Copper conductors. But it also appears the load center is rated at 60 AMP (It says A. 60 240V on the front). The sub-panel is a GE load center 125 AMP max Breaker set up. I have reported it as 60 AMP ...
You would have to look at the wiring diagram on the panel to be sure, but I think he had it right that it would be reported as a 60A service ... given that the panel label states 60A rating (weakest link). The pullout on the left is probably the "main", which then feeds the pullout on the right ... similar the the diagram in this post ... http://www.nachi.org/forum/showpost....1&postcount=29

If the service wires did connect to both the pullouts, the rating of the panel typically would be higher than 60A ... typically 100A Max, similar to the diagram in this post ... http://www.nachi.org/forum/attachmen...2&d=1206307850.

And sometimes a feeder connected to two main pullouts has a panel rating of 120A Max ... although those are usually a little larger, like in the attached pics. The "mains" for that one are on the top left and lower left, rated for 60A Max each. Note that a space for a block on the lower right for 4 additional plug fuse circuits (fed from the top left "lights" main) isn't being used, and the last pic has the lower left "range" main block removed so you can see the entire label ... which reads "This Circuit Connects To Line Bus" below that block.

JMO & 2-nickels ...
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Old 3/28/08, 7:46 AM
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Don't overlook the Meter, it tells the tale also if its a small square box it is probably a 60 amp max. Although you could have a larger meter and only draw 60 amps.
1.Maximum Meter Amperage
2.Wire Size
3.Amperage of the panel on the LABEL



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