One panel in the garage

[PAUL J. MAGRONE]

If the main disconnect is located in the garage and that is the only panel present, do the ground wires and neutral wires have to be separate? This panel looks very sloppy to me the way the ground and neutral wires are run to the buss. Some are sharing the same lug. How would you write this in the report?

[Michael W. Gault]

Grounds can be ganged,
Neutrals cannot; they must terminate under their own individual terminal lug.

[Mike Whitt]

If this is the main then the two can land on the same bar.

What is do see wrong is the grounded (neutral) and equipment grounding conductors under the same screw

Does anyone see the main bonding jumper? I don’t see anything that is bonding the panel enclosure to the grounded (neutral) conductor.

[Michael R. Boyett]

There's a green bonding screw...top right of the buss.

[Michael W. Gault]

This'll help...

[Mike Whitt]

Is the screw I have pointed to here the bonding screw?

[Michael W. Gault]

Mike,
It's the one right above the one you've identified...

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by mgault

Mike,
It's the one right above the one you've identified...

ditto - green hex head

[Speedy Petey]

That is what you call very sloppy? At the rist of sounding narcissistic mine are a bit neater but that looks fine to me.

I have to say, here in NY that method of terminating grounds and neutrals of the same circuit is generally accepted by inspectors and MANY quality electricians do it that way. I did for many years, but do not any more.
We do NOT follow the NEC and I have had high level inspectors tell me it's fine.
Take that for what it's worth.

[PAUL J. MAGRONE]

Thanks for the help. So, this is alright? As long as there are not two neutral wires to one lug?

[tdietrich1]

Originally Posted by pmagrone

So, this is alright?

No.

Document it.

http://www.nachi.org/forum/attachmen...2&d=1180638925

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f19/electrician-signs-off-ganged-neutrals-now-17471/

tom

P.S. Does anyone see a GEC? If it's at the Disconnect, why is there bonding here?

[Michael W. Gault]

Originally Posted by pmagrone

Thanks for the help. So, this is alright? As long as there are not two neutral wires to one lug?

That's the only call out I see... "neutrals fail to terminate at their own termnal lug"

[Speedy Petey]

For the record: I understand the issue most folks have with this, but those photos are NOT the same thing. Doubling neutrals is not the same issue as in the original post.

Originally Posted by tdietrich1

http://www.nachi.org/forum/attachmen...2&d=1180638925

[Michael W. Gault]

Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

For the record: I understand the issue most folks have with this, but those photos are NOT the same thing. Doubling neutrals is not the same issue as in the original post.

Have to quote Petey

Incorrectly spoken; 'Neutrals not terminating beneath their own terminal lug' is the call out.

They are not double lugged... Petey is correct, double lugged is different.

[Mike Whitt]

Originally Posted by mgault

Mike,
It's the one right above the one you've identified...

Yea now I see it. Guess I am so blind I need to be lead to the point before I know that I am there