opinions on GFCI outlets for non grounded oputlets

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by jclark1

Wrong Gerry. Current not voltage.

I stand corrected, only goes to show that one shouldn't post on the way back from the pub

Regards

Gerry

[Richard L. Bennett]

Dun that be 4

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by gbeaumont

I stand corrected, only goes to show that one shouldn't post on the way back from the pub

Regards

Gerry

lol.....I just bought a HP IPAQ 2495B Pocket PC and now if they have wireless I can POST while at the PUB.....now that should be interesting...lol

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

lol.....I just bought a HP IPAQ 2495B Pocket PC and now if they have wireless I can POST while at the PUB.....now that should be interesting...lol

I have avoided going that route due to the demonstrated problem of engaging keyboard while brain is disengaged.

Must be beer O'clock somewhere by now

Regards

Gerry

[Michael Martin]

A previous post in this thread indicated that beginning in October, GFCI's will not function in the absence of an EGC. This would eliminate the ability of people with homes with ungrounded systems to add GFCI protection without runnning an EGC. I looked into this a bit, and all I could find is that the revision to UL standard 943, which becomes effective July 28 of this year, requires GFCIs to have an end-of life provision and to not function in the event of a line-load miswire. If someone can point me to a pending provision purportedly requiring the presence of an EGC for the GFCI to operate, I'd appreciate it.

[William Warner]

Originally Posted by Michael Martin

a pending provision purportedly requiring the presence

If that ain't a mouth full...

I would be interested in this documentation as well.

[Mike Parks]

No requirement for the equipment ground, the problem is in the design.

Demo, by a rep from Leviton, was at our 80th annual seminar for the Ohio Chapter of the IAEI. He showed that no power was available at the device if the equipment grounding conductor was not present.

I agree that this is not good for the replacement rule for 2 wire systems, that is what I conveyed to the reps I spoke of earlier.

[Mike Parks]

PS

Every system ( 2-wire ) has a ground. Please do not use 'ground' for the equipment grounding conductor. The white wire is the grounded conductor.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Ungrounded, Grounded and Grounding are the terms I would suggest.....lets not confuse the 3...lol.........

Ungrounded- Hot Wires ( usually Black or Red in Single Phase )
Grounded - Neutral Wires ( Usually White in Residential Wiring )
Grounding - Equipment Grounding ( Usually Bare Copper or Green Insulated Copper)

The ACT of BONDING is NOT the same as Grounding......Know the difference....

just a little reminder.....oh yeah...and it only takes 1/10th of an AMP to kill ya...be sure you know which wire is which...lol