Paul was here!!

[David C. Macy]

This would rate as one of the cleanest/neatest panels I have seen to date.

Looks like the work of Paul A.

[jking2]

That is too excellent! I'll bet all the wall plate screw slots are all perfectly horizontal, too. What's the 4 pole main breaker all about? I haven't seen that before.

Jim King

[Richard L. Bennett]

Grounding issue with wires leaving the enclosure at the top and the bottom

rlb

[tdietrich1]

Don't think Paul would use a nail hole(zero connector too) for a ground wire.

[brian winkle]

James, that is a common breaker setup on Siemens/ITE type panels. Each 2 pole breaker feeds one bus at two contact points.

Richard, what grounding issues do you mean?

Tom, I don't see the GEC going thru a nail hole. Panels today come with 1 or 2 small knockouts just for the GEC. Maybe that is what you are referring to? Can't really see how the top one exits, but I can't see any violations.

I'm sure Paul will chime in soon.

[cmccann]

Great panel, I guess the newbs always have a issue no matter what it is. Try bringing up the previous issues with anyone..you'll be laughed out of the home...Your not god, just an inspector..get over it. Nice call Mr. Macy.

Better yet keep it up, my business continues to get better. Thx

[Paul W. Abernathy]

AHHH...you guys TALKIN about me again.....:0

Actually it is a rather neat panel......I would only have a FEW complaints if my guys did it.,....

# 1 - I don't like the conductors bending down and straight back up at the top of this panel.....I like them routed to the back corners and neatly ran as tight to the back sides as possible....but thats just me.

# 2 - No problem with those GEC's going through the approved openings next to the Concent. KO's....not a problem at all....I would have done the same thing.

# 3- Now...I have a habit on my "Grounded" conductor of using (3) wraps of WHITE tape on it...just my thing....you know...my signature......ok...I know.....I Know.....

# 4 - I don't nearly leave as much conductor on the wires that terminate in the buss bar.....but again thats just me.

# 5 - WOW....they must have had a FIGHT getting the conductors into the box as the jackets on the SE conductors are beat to death....

Overall........I would say it is neat compared to some I see....BUT it ain't as neat as one of mine......yep....thats my EGO coming into play...

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by dmacy

This would rate as one of the cleanest/neatest panels I have seen to date.

Looks like the work of Paul A.

Awful NICE thing to say Dave......Thinking of ME and Neatness all in the same sentence....I thank you for that.....as if my head is not large enough.

[Richard L. Bennett]

I love it

Even at my age I learned something today

So those little holes can be used for GEC

Thanks all

rlb

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Yeppers.....the ones located next to the SEC openings... ..not the mounting holes or weep holes in the corners...

[tdietrich1]

Originally Posted by brian winkle

Tom, I don't see the GEC going thru a nail hole. Panels today come with 1 or 2 small knockouts just for the GEC. Maybe that is what you are referring to?

Can you give me a reference to what manufacturer directs you to use 1/4" holes for such use? I was taught those are nail/screw holes, since using them for anything else without a connector is a violation. References: 2005NEC 314.17, if not directed by manufacture for GEC then 2005NEC 110.3B, and then of course the infamous: 110.12

I could use the assist. Inspectors want to see anchors/connectors (I like black buttons myself.) Thx.

tom

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Tom,

It has been posted on here MANY times that the smaller 1/4" holes located next to the KO's for the se conductors are perfectly allowed for the GEC via the Manufacturer.....they are not mounting holes, weep holes......they are designed with a KO that must be removed and nearly every EC I know uses them for the GEC.

I will find this topic from before and post it for you....

[tdietrich1]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

I will find this topic from before and post it for you....

I'd appreciate that. Remember unless I have manufacturer's instructions (I hope pdf) I have to follow the NEC and inspectors expectations.

tom

[Paul W. Abernathy]

lol...ok.......well.....I can't seem to find the image from the manufacturer but I will look.......FYI....I don't see it as a violation at all......and it is placed their by the manufacturer for that intent....are you saying a WEEP hole is CLOSED until it is opened?

These little holes beside the SE KO's is designed for the GEC....we are talking about two different things here.......call it dejavue...

FYI...do you think the little BLACK button connectors are approved for this application as well?

[tdietrich1]

No never called it a 'weep hole' besides, I don't know of any manufacture that calls them such, since they say for wet conditions use a rain tight box.

I called them nail holes, since I use a small nail, or awl to knock them out. Many times they are 'plugged' and need the filler material(uncut part of the box) knocked out.

tom