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Howdy, Folks --
We've received a three-page letter from NEMA today calling us out on some language in our Residential SOP (and probably also our ComSOP) regarding a passage in our electrical section. Here's the passage in question: 2.7 Electrical I. The inspector shall inspect: H. a representative number of switches, lighting fixtures and receptacles, including receptacles observed and deemed to be AFCI-protected during the inspection using an AFCI-tester, where possible. The phrase that got NEMA's attention (and subsequent request for amendment) is "AFCI tester." They write: The standard is unclear regarding the purpose of conducting a test using an "AFCI tester," officially listed as an AFCI indicator. Is it to determine if an AFCI circuit breaker has been installed on a circuit that would require AFCI protection in accordance with the NEC, or is it to determine if the AFCI function of the circuit breaker is functioning? Neither of these purposes can be definitively determined using an "AFCI tester." In fact, using an AFCI tester/indicator may yield confusing and conflicting results. Here's the link to the entire letter, for those who want to get the full context: http://www.nachi.org/documents/nema-internachi-april-2010.pdf We have some ideas about how to fix this, but WE WANT YOUR INPUT!
Last edited by ktarasenko; 4/12/10 at 4:52 PM.. |
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I agree, changes are needed but technically it says "where possible" and we are only required to "substantially" follow the nachi SOP. We do have to follow our state SOPs to the letter unless agreed otherwise with the client.
The SOP should indicate that arc fault breakers will be tested with the device test button when possible depending on the presence of tenant equipment in use. B.A. King Home Inspections, LLC www.BAKingHomeInspections.com Serving Charlotte NC area and Rock Hill SC areas. CMI Certified Master Inspector and Independent License NC2449 and SC1597 704 301-3207 "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." - Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 |
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II. The inspector is not required to:
A. insert any tool, probe or device into the main panelboard, sub-panels, distribution panelboards, or electrical fixtures. You can argue with intelligent people but to argue with a mush head is like trying to grab fog-Thomas Sowell |
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Please Note:
Robert Meier is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
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For AFCI and GFCI's the recommended testing procedure is to use the test button on the device and not any type of plugin tester. Here's what Ul says about listed testers: Quote:
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Do most of us use them? Yes. Does the SOP require it? No. Quote:
You can argue with intelligent people but to argue with a mush head is like trying to grab fog-Thomas Sowell |
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I suggest that future changes to the SOP, like this one, be coordinated with the ESOP Committee before adding it. Originally, there was no mention of AFCI testing. Where did this come from, anyway?
James H. Bushart Professional Building Analyst, BPI Missouri, Kansas and Arkansas 314-803-2167 |
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Thanks for the input, guys! We're looking for some very simple language, since NEMA's suggestion about referencing the UL's language is exhaustive and a bit off-point.
Including language that says something about using the TEST BUTTON is the suggestion I vote for. In spite of the "disclaimer" language in II.a. (regarding what an inspector is NOT required to do), we'll still need to make some kind of amendment to the SOPs to appease NEMA, especially since we're glad they're actually reading our SOPs to begin with! |
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Here's another question for you:
Should we simply delete the language having to do with AFCIs? What are the pros and cons? DISCUSS! |
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Kate - who is making changes without going through the ESOP committee?
You can argue with intelligent people but to argue with a mush head is like trying to grab fog-Thomas Sowell |
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Also curious who "IACHI" pizzed off this time, to prompt the letter???
Jeffrey R. Jonas Critical Eye Property Inspections JRJ Consultants Owatonna, Minnesota Chapter President InterNachi Awards Portal: http://co.nachi.org/inachiawards/
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Not sure who created the original language, so I don't have an answer for you there. ESOP is not in charge of making changes, but of reviewing and making suggestions.
But I'm the person in charge of final edits on all InterNACHI documents, and I want to figure out what we should do from here on out. So, I vote to change "AFCI tester" to "test by depressing the AFCI test button," etc. But should we dispense with the "testing AFCI" language altogether???? |
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This is why there is a ESOP committee if I am not mistaken.
There appears to have been changes that many were not aware of. You can argue with intelligent people but to argue with a mush head is like trying to grab fog-Thomas Sowell |
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ESOP is welcome to weigh in, and we rely on their expertise for such questions and welcome the collaboration. The only genuine "change" here is that InterNACHI now has an editor (me).
I don't think we p-o'd anyone, either, JJ -- but somewhere along the way, NEMA read our SOP, and that's actually good news! |
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That is, assuming that the changes made, were properly authorized. Jeffrey R. Jonas Critical Eye Property Inspections JRJ Consultants Owatonna, Minnesota Chapter President InterNachi Awards Portal: http://co.nachi.org/inachiawards/
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Feels like something a certain ex-member (JT) would stick his nose into. Jeffrey R. Jonas Critical Eye Property Inspections JRJ Consultants Owatonna, Minnesota Chapter President InterNachi Awards Portal: http://co.nachi.org/inachiawards/
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