Pool Equipment Bonding

[Brian E. Kelly]

Bonding requirements for pool equipment, light fixtures, metal accessories and

concrete deck rebar, pool shell and wire mesh.

http://www.manheimtownship.org/docum...guidelines.pdf

First one I found. Why would one not bond the giant metal filter????

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

National electrical standards require the metal filter in the equipment area to be attached to a common bonding wire.

Show me please. . .

[Brian E. Kelly]

Art. 680 boils down to two concepts: separation and bonding. Separate water from electricity by the clearances required for each of the items installed. You must bond all non-current carrying conductors and metal parts to prevent a difference of potential. If you keep these concepts in mind, you'll stay afloat in the sea of NEC rules.

http://ecmweb.com/conference/holt/el...ng_necs_rules/

Get a fiberglass filter housing like everyone else.

[Speedy Petey]

Originally Posted by jpope

Show me please. . .

I tend to agree. This is not electrical equipment.

UNless it's along side the pool, I also agree that proximity has nothing to do with it. Anyone who has wired a large expansive pool can attest to this. If it's required to be bonded then it get's bonded, no matter how far it is.

I don't see a reason to not bond it, but at the same time I also see no compelling code reason TO bond it.

Sure, it's easy to just say "bond it", but sometimes there are other circumstances that need more than an opinion to prove something is required to be done.

[Marc D. Shunk]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

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because it's not required in this case. Simple as that.

[Pierre Belarge]

Originally Posted by Pierre Belarge

I am curious.
How is a metal pool filter not associated with the "pool water circulating system"?

In the picture, I see two pipes that I am assuming are carrying water circulating to the pool system.


680.26(B)(4)Electrical Equipment.
Metal parts of electrical equipment associated with the pool water circulating system,..."

I am not sure what the distance from the pool would have to do with this section...pool equipment is installed remote from pools all the time and still require bonding as per 680.26.

I took a second look at the picture. The filter looks as though it is not an "electrical piece of equipment", it is just a metallic filter.
If this is so, then I retract the statement I made as to the requirement of bonding of the metallic filter as long as it is not located within 5 ft of the pool itself.

[jtedesco1]

Equipment. A general term, including material, fittings, devices, appliances, luminaires, apparatus, machinery, and the like used as a part of, or in connection with, an electrical installation.

[Marc D. Shunk]

That pool filter can is plumbing equipment.

[jtedesco1]

.... agreed, Question:

What is ................ apparatus, .................... and the like used as a part of, or in connection with, an electrical installation.

This jurisdiction requires bonding of filters

[Marc D. Shunk]

It has no definition, but it would have to consume electricity by some means. A pump, for instance, is sometimes referred to as an apparatus rather than equipment. The filter housing is nothing more than a fat place in the plumbing.

[Barry Adair]

One thought...the filter housing would not have to be punctured...it could be bonded at the pressure valve or the tank clamp...Now the BIG question, is there a UL approved adapter for this effort? Even if the tank had to be compromised I wonder what's approved for use in Manheim

Jeff,
Please keep us posted on "AHJ's approved method of filter bonding"
Photos would be nice!

[Greg Fretwell]

Barry, that was my point. You are required to bond with #8 solid but you can't use solid wire to a part that moves around much. About the second or 3d time they took that cover off the bond wire would be broken if it didn't just get removed the first time and not replaced. Pool plumbing is not maintained by electrical professionals as a rule.