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Old 1/22/06, 6:06 PM
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I have a question.
If my house is wired with an old two wire system, what can I do, without re-wiring, to protect the circuits.
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Old 1/22/06, 6:25 PM
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This is another one of those (I already know the answer) questions isn't it? Anyway, I'll play along.

The circuits are likely already protected by either a fuse or breaker system. You probably mean to protect people or equipment plugged into the electrical system but that's not what you asked.
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This is another one of those (I already know the answer) questions isn't it? Anyway, I'll play along.

The circuits are likely already protected by either a fuse or breaker system. You probably mean to protect people or equipment plugged into the electrical system but that's not what you asked.
Your right paul, and I should re-word it.
I do mean to protect people or equipment plugged into it.
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Old 1/22/06, 6:29 PM
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Not sure what you mean by "protect the circuits" but you could keep them all 2 prong unless you need GFCI protection then install it...GFCI's don't use the ground to work but they'll fool some testers 'cause most testers use the grounding conductor.
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Old 1/22/06, 6:32 PM
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How about a boot legged ground, do you think that will fool a tester?
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My tester picks up bootleg (false) grounds. . .



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To protect people from electricution - GFCI

To protect people from fire - AFCI

To protect the equipment - run a separate ground wire

To protect the wires from overload - fuses or breakers

To protect the wires from mice - metal conduit
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Install a three prong on the outlet in question and if possible run a green ground wire to the panel and ground it there, or I believe you are permitted to run the ground wire to a grounded incoming water line (metal). Alternatively you can replace the receptacle with a GFCI outlet, even though there is still no ground it is the next best thing if you can't run a ground.

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I am not sure I understand the concept of posting questions if you already know the answer....hmmm....Guess I have been teaching college kids to long but they dont ask questions unless they really dont know the answer.

Takes up valuable time answering questions that a person already knows the answer to....in my opinion.



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[quote=pabernathy]I am not sure I understand the concept of posting questions if you already know the answer....hmmm....Guess I have been teaching college kids to long but they dont ask questions unless they really dont know the answer.

I guess you miss being the teacher, deal with it!!!
this question was asked me, amd one of the ways I told the person to get answers, was to go on the NACHI board.
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I would take the SAME chill pill you asked me to take Tyrone......I was refering to the response from another that questioned the question.....

No I dont miss being the teacher.....was to many anyway....But I think it must be a Canadian thing...oh well.



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P.S....Oh..dont worry...I wont attempt to teach ya anything again...



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I have a question.
If my house is wired with an old two wire system, what can I do, without re-wiring, to protect the circuits.
I would make sure that the existing system was not tampered with, tighten all connections, replace damaged devices, fixtures, check for overloads, etc

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Joe, you da man! Thanks!!!
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Also think about adding a GFCI to the first receptacle in the stream or in the panel for added protection as well.



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