International Association of Certified Home Inspectors

cduphily · #16 1/12/08, 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

The guy who did that installation was neither an electrician nor was he qualified. At least this job did not show it.

BTW - Nice professionalism from some in this thread.

Frank, your post was especially out of line!

Pete, those photos where of work completed by a licensed electrician.

I have nothing against you or other professionals that care about the work they do.
This particular electrician doesn't give a rats *** about his customer. I would post his name only after speaking with a lawyer and having a true professional examine the work completed. I, at this point am unwilling to spend the money needed to accomplish this. For now, I will make sure my client is getting a SAFE and properly wired home, now at the expense of the home owner and his "electrician"

Speedy Petey · #17 1/12/08, 4:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cduphily

Pete, those photos where of work completed by a licensed electrician.

Oh, I totally get that.
Many license requirements are very lax. It doesn't take much to get a piece of paper. This does not make them a professional. A professional is someone who strives to do the right thing and who cares about his work and his customers.
Even the required years of expereince can be fatally flawed. Work for a hack for five years, take your test, and you too can become a licensed hack.

cduphily · #18 1/12/08, 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tdietrich1

Oh I'm gunna be flamed.

There is a world where I think in. Peaceful, everyone is safe, and the streams flow with cold beer. I would have tried t completely move the home runs out into the new panel. One problem, I live in the real world.

If the guy changed out the old cabinet for a new corrosion resistant one, mounted it properly high enough (say 6" higher than any high water mark), this topic would be dead. So the problem is that he was lazy in the crawlspace. This is an simple, easy fix, nothing to scream about, except the home owner got the cheapest/fastest fix.

tom

I'm not going to give you a red but I will be giving you a call!

If I read your post correctly you are stating that if he installed a corrosion resistant panel a minimum of 6" above any high water mark in this crawlspace that is wet year round; and of course securely fastened instead of sitting on an unsecured 2x4 that is sitting in a puddle. Then this application would be ok by "national standards"?

cduphily · #19 1/12/08, 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

Oh, I totally get that.
Many license requirements are very lax. It doesn't take much to get a piece of paper. This does not make them a professional. A professional is someone who strives to do the right thing and who cares about his work and his customers.
Even the required years of expereince can be fatally flawed. Work for a hack for five years, take your test, and you too can become a licensed hack.

I agree 110% sorry I misread your post and ***umed you where implying that I took "liberty" in calling a diy'er an electrician. Though in this state all you have to do is pass a book test.

Sorry man, greenie for you, and a free coffee/beer if your nuts enough to work in NEPA!

~~jtedesco1~~ · #20 1/12/08, 4:14 PM

Chris:

Was there a permit, and was an inspection made? If you send me your report I will include that portion of them and mine in my article in ECM Magazine.

Also are there any third party inspection agencies in your area, such as Middle department?

I will be in or near your area soon presenting seminars on electrical safety and rules hat have changed. Got a pretty full schedule so far.

Speedy Petey · #21 1/12/08, 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cduphily

Sorry man, greenie for you, and a free coffee/beer if your nuts enough to work in NEPA!

Well thank you for that.
In my youth I use to go to my best friend's vaca home in the Poconos. Marshall's Creek to be exact.
We used to ski at Shawnee (10 minutes away) and Camelback. We'd go to the falls, fish, hike and ride dirt bikes in the summer.
GREAT memories!

I'm 2 hrs up 209 where I am now.

cduphily · #22 1/12/08, 4:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

Well thank you for that.
In my youth I use to go to my best friend's vaca home in the Poconos. Marshall's Creek to be exact.
We used to ski at Shawnee (10 minutes away) and Camelback. We'd go to the falls, fish, hike and ride dirt bikes in the summer.
GREAT memories!

I'm 2 hrs up 209 where I am now.

I'm 15 min. from Shawnee .... minus the damn visitor traffic

cduphily · #23 1/12/08, 4:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jtedesco1

Chris:

Was there a permit, and was an inspection made? If you send me your report I will include that portion of them and mine in my article in ECM Magazine.

Also are there any third party inspection agencies in your area, such as Middle department?

I will be in or near your area soon presenting seminars on electrical safety and rules hat have changed. Got a pretty full schedule so far.

the township that this inspection was in had no permit requirments as pathetic as it is.

cduphily · #24 1/12/08, 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jtedesco1

Chris:

If you send me your report I will include that portion of them and mine in my article in ECM Magazine.

I'll email a copy of the original showing the moisture and of the reinspection showing the "work" performed.

tdietrich1 · #25 1/12/08, 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cduphily

I'm not going to give you a red but I will be giving you a call!

If I read your post correctly you are stating that if he installed a corrosion resistant panel a minimum of 6" above any high water mark in this crawlspace that is wet year round; and of course securely fastened instead of sitting on an unsecured 2x4 that is sitting in a puddle. Then this application would be ok by "national standards"?

It becomes a Junction box, aren't junction boxes allowed in crawl spaces?

tom

Speedy Petey · #26 1/12/08, 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cduphily

.... minus the damn visitor traffic

I know what you mean....now.
I live in a VERY high tourist traffic area, where 20 years ago I WAS the tourist.

cduphily · #27 1/12/08, 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tdietrich1

It becomes a Junction box, aren't junction boxes allowed in crawl spaces?

tom

Suitable for a wet location? ....and by wet I mean very very not dry! aside from now dry that joke was!

~~jtedesco1~~ · #28 1/12/08, 5:17 PM

Chris:

OK, but please give the name here of the Township, or send to it to me so I can post it and start the ball rolling, what a terrible way to go, licensed electrician, that name too? what's that word "unfreakinbellievieble"?

Where's Decker? Come guys get on board here show time soon here when the Cowboy comes back.

Also let's be reminded about this definition:

Location, Wet. Installations under ground or in concrete slabs or masonry in direct contact with the earth; in locations subject to saturation with water or other liquids, such as vehicle washing areas; and in unprotected locations exposed to weather.

**Frank M. Carrio, CMI** · #29 1/12/08, 6:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

The guy who did that installation was neither an electrician nor was he qualified. At least this job did not show it.

BTW - Nice professionalism from some in this thread.

Frank, your post was especially out of line!

For your information ....Mike Whitt provided this photo so I don't think that he is too worried about looking "professional."

This guy has been out of line and on other "threads" has TRIED to discredit experts like Joe Tedesco and others when they don't agree with him.

When a stranger comes into uninvited into OUR house {NACHI BB.} and starts slinging barbs & arrows then then can expect some to come back their way.

Bye the way ...... maybe YOU should chill out and not take life so seriously