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Old 1/8/08, 4:43 AM
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I would like to hear what will be said about this installation.

Is the box fill considered here where the code seems to be silent on this product?

What are these devices called?
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Old 1/8/08, 7:16 AM
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If it had a proper cover plate on it, and the switches were functional, I can't tell you that I don't think most home inspectors would pull the cover plate to see the inside.



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Old 1/8/08, 11:16 AM
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I see a missing screw on the sw group on the right. I see a missing sw/outlet on the group on the left. The outlets are not grounded which may be OK if the install was done during "that" time when it was normal. The box cover looks like a WireMold product based on its color. The switch/outlet plate is missing. Looks like a drywall screw was used on the sw group on the right. A paper label has been applied under the lower mounting ear of the group on the right. As far as box loading goes I would have to pull the outlets but I would guess it is packed. One thing to note is that there is no ground wire to get in the way if this an old install

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Where can I buy one of these to install in my home.. More switches and an extra outlet!! I like it.



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Where can I buy one of these to install in my home.. More switches and an extra outlet!! I like it.
Here ya go
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Mike,
Thanks, but I think I like my current set up more.



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I think it would be nice if you could just put a picture up in a report, since it is said, "a picture is worth a thousand words or more", and write below the pic....Enough said. LOL



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Mike,
Thanks, but I think I like my current set up more.
This way?
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You are right. Must have been a genius... In my "innovation" category.



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Default Re: See anything here that should be considered?

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Is the box fill considered here where the code seems to be silent on this product?
This is not a true statement

ARTICLE 386 Surface Metal Raceways
I. General
386.1 Scope.
This article covers the use, installation, and construction specifications for surface metal raceways and associated fittings.
386.2 Definition.
Surface Metal Raceway. A metallic raceway that is intended to be mounted to the surface of a structure, with associated couplings, connectors, boxes, and fittings for the installation of electrical conductors.
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Look here for more OSHA pictures
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Default Re: See anything here that should be considered?

Box fill would be where I started after I pointed out the broken device.
In real life code inspectors seldom actually get to see surface mounted wiring like this because it is usually done after the CO.
Florida is trying to beef up their rehabilition code but right now there is a DMZ between the CO and what gets permitted on a renovation. If it is not part of the renovation permit scope it doesn't get inspected.
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That to me looks like a wire mold plate.
Wonder how long that green field is?
Referring to the original pic
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Default Re: See anything here that should be considered?

That wiring method you see was not FMC, it was 12 AWG, Type AC "BX" cable, and the surface metal raceway box extension was secured to a two gang device (gem) box. If we started to discuss the box fill here, we would look for the number of fittings in the box, and begin our deductions, and count each device (strap/yoke) as 2 wires. Gets tricky and will require a detailed hands on explanation.



I laugh when I see the DIY saying: "I added another cable into the box so I could run the new line"..... gots lots of horror stories we do, us old guys!
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