see anything wrong

[jmaisano]

see anything wrong here

[Shawn Rowe]

Jon,
Can you upload some larger photos? They are just a bit too small.

[jmaisano]

how are these

[Gerry Beaumont]

Hi to all,

Jon, talk it through, what do you think may be wrong here?

Regards

Gerry

[jmaisano]

panel not bonded,main service cable loose and resting on pipes,3 different brands of breakers

[Gerry Beaumont]

Hi Jon,

Some details are a little hard to see from he pictures, but here are my thoughts.

• panel not bonded, I cannot see any insulator between the grounding bus and the panel which makes me think that the bond is the screw holding the bus to the enclosure.
• main service cable loose and resting on pipes, Agreed the conductors do not appear to be properly supported.
• 3 different brands of breakers, Again hard to be sure, but I believe all those breakers are UL listed for the panel.

I hope this helps

Regards

Gerry

[Shawn Rowe]

What year is this house?
Is that a Siemens panel?

[Jae Williams]

Square D Arc Fault Check recall (on breaker-blue button) Catalogue #Q0115AFI… Date code CN-DN .

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Those aren't the recalled breakers Jae.

I don't think that panel is the service equipment. The SEC assembly may be poorly supported, but from those pictures, I don't see much else. . .

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

This is a recalled breaker. . .

[Shawn Rowe]

Look at the test button....Square D is much smaller...easy to see even on the small photos

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Just in case anyone needs a copy of my original recall post on the AFCI's...here is a link to it....

http://www.nachi.org/forum/showpost....84&postcount=1

AS for the wires on the copper pipe.....poor angle kinda like the crocidile hunter and the baby thing.......

The panel image.....just can't see the breakers good enough....but here is a list of crossmixing breakers...

The following panels will only accept breakers from the same manufacturer:

Cutler Hammer, Federal Pacific*,General Electric ( half size ) and Square D*

* New challenger breakers are fitting into FPE's and Cutler Hammer actually makes a UL approved Sq D Replacement Now.

The following circuit breakers may cross mix.....defer to the manufacturer

American Switch, General Switch, Arrow hart, Murray ( crouse hinds ) Challenger ( sylvania ) , Seimens ( IRE, Gould ), General Electric ( full size only) and Westinghouse.

*NOTICE- only when the load center says they accept them.....

And...I do have to question......and jeff stated it also...is this a Main Panel or a "Sub" panel......based on the image of the grounded and grounding terminations on different bars...not a problem in a sub panel.....but in a main panel lets home they connect to each other in some fasion....great obervation Jeff.......

P.S...Probably why the GREEN BONDING screw is sitting their.......I would have CHUCKED it....if it was truly a "SUB" panel ( Remote Distribution Panel )

[Thomas H. Dietrich]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

P.S...Probably why the GREEN BONDING screw is sitting their.......I would have CHUCKED it....if it was truly a "SUB" panel ( Remote Distribution Panel )

Good catch, the cable looks like SER, so might be why the electrician took the time to install a ground bar, but not the time to install the bonding screw.

As for the 'what is wrong' fun, I have to dig for scraps since everyone else did a good job. OK, here is my one table crumb, the grounded conductor ("neutral") is on a double pole breaker, and not re-identified as an ungrounded conductor ("hot").

Tom

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by tdietrich1

As for the 'what is wrong' fun, I have to dig for scraps since everyone else did a good job. OK, here is my one table crumb, the grounded conductor ("neutral") is on a double pole breaker, and not re-identified as an ungrounded conductor ("hot").

Tom

lol...well I would have said that but it did not rear its head until the 2002 NEC was adopted....so if the installation is before the 2002 NEC was adopted the re-identification is not required and the code is not retroactive....so technically it could stay.......

[Thomas H. Dietrich]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

so technically it could stay.......

Gotta yank away my one and only scrap.



tom