Shower / Tub Stall Lighting

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

New Construction.

These were installed in all areas (4 Bathrooms).

Standard flood / spot bulbs with standard trim housing. Enclosures not sealed / covered.

[jrivera]

some people are real schmucks

Mic

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

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[Greg Fretwell]

Where is the violation? Recessed lighting is allowed, even "in the zone".

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Greg,

Recessed fixtures not specifically rated for Damp locations are generically approved?

[ldapkus]

Does this one look OK???

[tneumann]

How about this one????

[Greg Fretwell]

I would not bet these were not "damp" rated. U/L seems to be very generous with these listings.
Once the luminaire sticks out of the ceiling or hangs from a cord/chain, the rules get a lot tougher. Basically they have to be 8' from the rim of the tub out 3 feet.

[dfogleman]

It just needs a fresh coat of paint and some caulk!

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Howdy All,

greg is on base here, the NEC is very easy on this installation because normally the ceiling height is 8' for the most part.

Recess lights are put in these locations all the time, now in my company we place a vapor trim on them just because we know the steam will build up and heat rises and well you get the example I am going for.

Here is the real deal...if the area is subject to water being sprayed on the fixture then it is required to be listed for a damp location...in the end the local AHJ will have to make that call.

I would not call it out on my inspection report unless it was excessivly low, by looking up in it I saw signs of damage or if I noticed they have overlamped it.

If it is too low I may say they should look at putting a vapor trim on it which will have a seal on it...and many recesses can be made damp location worth with the addition of a low cost vapor trim ring.

So in speaking of the original posters images..unless that shower head is hittin me in the check MAN nipples.....I would not be overly concerned.

And lets not discount the AHJ here.....for the most part they do a fine job...and well....they might have checked this installation....

Just my thoughts.......not the gospel according to PAUL..

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

Howdy All,

greg is on base here, the NEC is very easy on this installation because normally the ceiling height is 8' for the most part.

Recess lights are put in these locations all the time, now in my company we place a vapor trim on them just because we know the steam will build up and heat rises and well you get the example I am going for.

Here is the real deal...if the area is subject to water being sprayed on the fixture then it is required to be listed for a damp location...in the end the local AHJ will have to make that call.

I would not call it out on my inspection report unless it was excessivly low, by looking up in it I saw signs of damage or if I noticed they have overlamped it.

If it is too low I may say they should look at putting a vapor trim on it which will have a seal on it...and many recesses can be made damp location worth with the addition of a low cost vapor trim ring.

So in speaking of the original posters images..unless that shower head is hittin me in the check MAN nipples.....I would not be overly concerned.

And lets not discount the AHJ here.....for the most part they do a fine job...and well....they might have checked this installation....

Just my thoughts.......not the gospel according to PAUL..

You mean I read all that only to find out that it was "not the gospel according to PAUL"? That's the last time I read a post simply because it was posted by you. Ha!

[Paul W. Abernathy]

lol.....trust me...you dont want to read my GOSPEL Russel...lol...I am MILD in my translations here......not so mild when in the field making the call...lol

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Now this trim is the ones we use, it has a vapor seal and gasket, which transforms a classification according to the manufacturers material a normal recess non-damp location recess light into one able to be in such locations.

Just so happens this is the one we happen to use..

[Pierre Belarge]

If it is subject to shower spray, it is considered a wet location, if it is not subject to shower spray, it is a damp location. 410.4(D), the last sentence of the paragraph. As Greg has mentioned, the recessed fixtures are generally okay in this installation. There is some confusion in the field due to not reading the above mentioned section number of the NEC. As a matter of fact, surface mounted type fixtures rated for the location are also permitted in the tub location.

[Marc D. Shunk]

It may interest you all to know that there are many recessed light manufacturers making shower rated trims that do have an exposed lamp. They have a built in rubber gasket that seals around the neck of the lamp when you install the lamp. A shower rated trim does not have to be enclosed to be compliant. In generic terms, these are called "open shower trims". The Progress P8072WL-28 is one such trim, and may be the one in that initial photograph. THese are UL rated for damp and wet locations.

http://www.csnlighting.com/Progress-...ml#ProdDetails