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Old 4/20/08, 8:05 AM
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I would guess amateur installation. Rewired part of the house, left 1/2 the KnT and fuse blocks and didn't even install hardwired smokes.
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Old 4/20/08, 8:36 AM
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I would guess amateur installation. Rewired part of the house, left 1/2 the KnT and fuse blocks and didn't even install hardwired smokes.
Scott...... This is definitely a "Do it Yourself"


That looks like a 12-gauge wire to me.

That would be for a 20-amp circuit breaker.



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Old 4/20/08, 8:38 AM
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Scott,

That 100 amp main breaker is definitely not protecting the wire attached to it. It's probably being used as a shut-off ONLY. What was at the other end of this wire?

Also, the GEC's aren't even bonded.
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Old 4/20/08, 9:15 AM
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I actually don't know what was on the other end. This panel is in a closet in the Old part of the house, the new part (probably still 100+ years old) down the hall has a 10 circuit screw type fuse "panel" (some circuits disconnected) and the basement has a rats nest of a breaker panel with a Square D pull fuse main with bus and screw type branch circuits. NICE

Even if the 100AMP breaker is only being used as a shut off, the 12 (and it is a 12) is supplying 9 other circuits

I don't believe the GEC's need to be bonded if the panel is being used as a Sub. Is this correct anybody?
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Old 4/20/08, 9:57 AM
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That is SO wrong it is not even funny!!!

That is 10/2 and is being used as a feeder, which means the bare ground is being used as both the neutral and the ground. This is s huge violation on any planet!
Considering just what is in these two pics I would call the whole house out as a defect, seriously! Who knows what this hack got his hands into.


Frank, E353.1 does NOT apply here. That is for services, this is a sub-panel, not service equipment or service conductors.
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Old 4/20/08, 10:27 AM
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Hi to all

as Pete said that is so bad it is nearly funny, FUBAR'd

Scott I love that picture of the wooden enclosure, K&T. Fused neutrals et al, the only thing it is missing is an asbestos liner!!........ pure 1920's

That ain't home inspection, that's archeology

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Old 4/20/08, 10:47 AM
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I love that!
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Default Re: Sub panel, see anything wrong?

Speedy is right, you use 310.16 to size sub panel feeders unless it is the main panel serving the whole dwelling. 100a is 3ga copper and 1ga al.
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