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Old 11/22/11, 4:34 PM
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Default Sub-Panel wiring

Main panel feeds this sub panel.
-No over-current protection on sub panel feeders
-Separate grounds and neutrals on sub panel bus bar

What else?
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Old 11/22/11, 6:16 PM
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Default Re: Sub-Panel wiring

Those are both "sub" panels based on what I can see, and they're both wired improperly.

The first picture shows an equipment grounding conductor to the neutral terminal (which is improper) and then a bonding conductor connecting the neutral terminal to the grounding terminal - again, improper.

In your second picture, the equipment grounding conductors are not bonded to the enclosure/panel. They are attached to the isolated neutral terminal, which is improper. In addition, the neutrals and grounds are sharing the same terminations, which is also improper.



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Default Re: Sub-Panel wiring

Judging from the conductor size it appears that the top right 2-pole CB is the main which is backfed. Is there a service disconnect ahead of this panel? If this panel contains the service disconnect then the jumper between the EGC bus and the neutral bus is OK.

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Old 11/22/11, 7:46 PM
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Main disconnect is the top right breaker, the top conductors lead to a service panel.



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Main disconnect is the top right breaker, the top conductors lead to a service panel.
So is this the service? What do you mean by a service panel? Anything past the service disconnect is considered a "subpanel".
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Judging from the conductor size it appears that the top right 2-pole CB is the main which is backfed.
I considered that, and if that's the case, then the direct tap to the lugs (with no OCPD) is improper.



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I considered that, and if that's the case, then the direct tap to the lugs (with no OCPD) is improper.
If the 2 pole CB is a back fed main then the conductors under the top lugs would only be protected by that main. You're correct, that unless the installer has complied with a tap rule those condcutors are likely protected at an ampacity that exceeds their value.
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