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Old 5/9/10, 5:02 PM
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Default sub panels and reverse polarity

In my electrical training there are two things I was taught that were wrong but even a retired electrician, let alone my instructor, cannot give me an answer to why.
  • why do the buss bars for a sub panel for the nuetral and grond have to be separated
  • why is reverse polarity bad
thanks for the help in advance
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Old 5/9/10, 5:21 PM
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This may help:
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Electrica...-ground-vs.htm



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Old 5/9/10, 5:27 PM
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And here is a good link to why Reverse Polarity is dangerous with a perfect illustration of the lamp socket.

http://googelectrician.blogspot.com/...all-about.html

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Old 5/9/10, 5:30 PM
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why is reverse polarity bad
A least 2 reasons.

You do not want the outer screw shell of a light bulb socket at line potential because it is too accessible.

It's much less likely today but it was once common to have a metal chassis of electronic equipment on the "neutral i.e grounded conductor. A reverse polarity condition would result in a "hot" chassis.

edit: I see Doug posted while I was typing.



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In my electrical training there are two things I was taught that were wrong but even a retired electrician, let alone my instructor, cannot give me an answer to why.
  • why do the buss bars for a sub panel for the nuetral and grond have to be separated
  • why is reverse polarity bad
thanks for the help in advance
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You could also review these drawing showing the potential problems with improperly wired subpanels.

http://forum.doityourself.com/electr...-drawings.html
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The problem with connecting the grounded and grounding conductors together at more than one location is that the two conductors will now be in parallel. This will cause unwanted current to flow on the EGC which is hazardous during normal operations. Here's a good graphic from Mike Holt:

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Good questions and great info guys.



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I should hang out here more often! Thanks for the great info guys!





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Yes, we need more threads Like this
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