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Old 11/6/07, 2:34 PM
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This plug goes to and supplies power for the gas furnace about 3 feet away in the crawl space. No other form of disconnect. Furnace installed in 1992. Any problems?
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Old 11/6/07, 2:40 PM
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A cord and plug is a means of disconnect, however, that doesn't appear to be a listed assembly. In other words, it looks "home made."

Secondly, The furnace needs to be listed for a cord and plug. Most modern furnaces are not listed as such.



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Old 11/6/07, 2:45 PM
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Missing coverplate on the duplex receptacle too.

Check mfg. specs for any required overlaod protection ahead of the furnace.
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Old 11/6/07, 3:08 PM
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If there is a condensate pump and its within 6 feet of it, it should be a GFCI.
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Old 11/6/07, 4:15 PM
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In addition to the problems already mentioned.....It is hard to see in the picture, but the ground wire in the cord appears to be folded back and not terminated in the plug.



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Old 11/6/07, 7:34 PM
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If there is a condensate pump and its within 6 feet of it, it should be a GFCI.
Why?
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Old 11/6/07, 9:02 PM
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Secondly, The furnace needs to be listed for a cord and plug. Most modern furnaces are not listed as such.
Jeff, do you have some info to support that? In my area I have yet to see an indoor gas furnace/air handler that was NOT plug and cord connected, even the new ones. At rough in we supply a 20 amp circuit to a fused receptacle for all indoor units, have never been failed yet.
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Old 11/6/07, 9:21 PM
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Jeff, do you have some info to support that?
Which part?

I haven't seen a cord & plug furnace/airhandler installed in anything newer than about '96, in quite some time.

The units I see in newer construction are hardwired to a switched outlet and are not listed for cord & plug attachments.

I'm certainly not saying they don't exist, but C&P units seem to be a thing of the past in our parts.



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Old 11/6/07, 10:15 PM
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Old 11/6/07, 10:57 PM
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Default Re: Try again, what's wrong?

Cord and plug air handlers seem to be a local thing. I hear a lot of people say that is a regular thing, other places never see it. C&P water heaters are a similar thing.
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Old 11/6/07, 11:38 PM
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I have never saw one but it still must be connected to a double throw breaker. I know payne does make some.



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Old 11/7/07, 8:25 AM
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Thats all I see here in AZ. Plugged in..




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Old 11/7/07, 6:32 PM
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I have never saw one but it still must be connected to a double throw breaker.
I assume you mean a two-pole (240 volt) breaker? I have never seen a 240 volt furnace/airhandler. The condenser, on the other hand, usually requires 240 volts.



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Old 11/7/07, 6:54 PM
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Default Re: Try again, what's wrong?

You see 240v air handlers if that is also where the heat comes from (toaster heaters) and most of the time it is A/C. I know that is a foreign concept to folks in the frozen north but here below the 27th parallel "heat" as a 3 or 4 day a year thing. Nobody has a "furnace".
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Old 11/9/07, 9:03 AM
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Default Re: Try again, what's wrong?

Personally...I'll give my opinions on it for what it is worth...lol

1.) Last time I checked NM Cable was not considered a cord and putting an attachment plug onto it and allowing it to be used also as perm. wiring is well probably a problem...

2.) As someone stated...seems they have NO use for the EGC to be used at the furnace itself, they simply DID bend back the EGC within the NM Cable...and if it is gas..connected to electricity then in opinion it is " likely to become energized " since it DOES have a common connection so since this happens...guess you can't use the exception of the EGC as the bond......BUT wait...probably no EGC's in the whole house....yet 3 prong plug in the outlet....dont know...only the orginal poster knows that.

3.) Also we could argue dedicated equipment....BUT we have an open duplex that allows for serving as well I see.....and the NEC says receptacles in crawl spaces at or below grade need to be GFCI.....so if we argued the dedicated receptacle theory...in my " INT " I would make them replace the receptacle with a single receptacle...and oh yeah..add the cover also...

Just my thoughts on it......but then again I have JET LAG from flying late last night.....



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