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Old 1/26/11, 10:15 PM
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I ran across this today and would like to get some feedback. First picture is the outlet and the second is a whirlpool tub below the outlet/shelf. I am thinking about writing it up as being unsafe and advising my client to have it removed. It is a GFCI outlet. Thoughts????
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Old 1/26/11, 10:22 PM
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It is outside the tub line ?

No shower,do you have more of a broad shot to get a sense of perspective as the tub looks so small in that shot.
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Old 1/26/11, 10:28 PM
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I do not have another shot but you are right. It is a small tub for the area. I might want to just advise my client to watch what he puts on the shelf and make sure it is secured.



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Old 1/26/11, 10:34 PM
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I would advise on the potential hazard, especially if or when the GFCI fails to work. Let them know it may also fail the CO inspection and need to be removed.



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Old 1/26/11, 11:32 PM
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Looking at it again it is within what would be considered the tub space.
I would call it out even if it is cool.No TV wall mount even means sitting it on the wet pedestal .
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Old 1/27/11, 12:54 AM
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You can stand in a tub full of water and are able to touch the receptacle???????????

Hmmmm....



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Old 1/27/11, 7:56 AM
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I am going to call it out as being unsafe to cover my butt and not "fry" his. Thanks for the responses!



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Old 1/27/11, 7:57 AM
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There are 12v TV available for this application powered from a wall pack.



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Old 1/27/11, 9:29 AM
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You can stand in a tub full of water and are able to touch the receptacle???????????

Hmmmm....
Can you run your hand under a sink faucet and touch a counter-top receptacle?

Can you stand on a wet patio floor and touch a receptacle?



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As there is no shower present, I don't see any particular hazard present if the outlet is GFCI protected. There is no code that prohibits that particular use.



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As there is no shower present, I don't see any particular hazard present if the outlet is GFCI protected. There is no code that prohibits that particular use.
What about this:
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406.8 Receptacles in Damp or Wet Locations.
(B) Wet Locations.
(1) 15- and 20-Ampere Receptacles in a Wet Location. 15- and 20-ampere, 125- and 250-volt receptacles installed in a wet location shall have an enclosure that is weatherproof whether or not the attachment plug cap is inserted. All 15- and 20-ampere, 125- and 250-volt nonlocking receptacles shall be listed weather-resistant type.
FPN: The types of receptacles covered by this requirement are identified as 5-15, 5-20, 6-15, and 6-20 in ANSI/NEMA WD 6-2002, National Electrical Manufacturers Association Standard for Dimensions of Attachment Plugs and Receptacles.]
Exception: 15- and 20-ampere, 125- through 250-volt receptacles installed in a wet location and subject to routine high-pressure spray washing shall be permitted to have an enclosure that is weatherproof when the attachment plug is removed.
(2) Other Receptacles. All other receptacles installed in a wet location shall comply with (B)(2)(a) or (B)(2)(b).
(a) A receptacle installed in a wet location, where the product intended to be plugged into it is not attended while in use, shall have an enclosure that is weatherproof with the attachment plug cap inserted or removed.
(b) A receptacle installed in a wet location where the product intended to be plugged into it will be attended while in use (e.g., portable tools) shall have an enclosure that is weatherproof when the attachment plug is removed.
(C) Bathtub and Shower Space. Receptacles shall not be installed within or directly over a bathtub or shower stall.
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Old 1/27/11, 2:50 PM
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What about this:(C) Bathtub and Shower Space. Receptacles shall not be installed within or directly over a bathtub or shower stall.
I searched the IRC (it's not there) and neglected the NEC. Thanks for the correction.



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Old 1/27/11, 3:07 PM
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Grey area as the receptacle is not installed directly over the tub.



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Old 1/27/11, 3:11 PM
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Grey area as the receptacle is not installed directly over the tub.
No ,but it is in the tub zone.
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Old 1/27/11, 3:12 PM
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No ,but it is in the tub zone.
Are you sure?

It is not in the tub footprint.



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