When were panels not allowed in clothes closets?

[jtedesco1]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

I feel sorry for YOUR students....mine get taught CODE.....but when a topic is being discussed in general to understand it you have to look at ways it is listed.

You simply list it as YOU deem fit.....which is WRONG.....Oh yes I have heard about some of your classes JoeBu......

I have done quite well as well in my CHOSEN career.....and guess what...at HALF your age....

I simply posted a way possibly one AHJ might allow something versus another to a direct question......when teaching CODE I teach it to how it is written..

You are the biggest suck up I have ever seen.......best of LUCK to you Joe....but I can see how you developed your STYLE..

I dont interpret anything other than how it is written.....the opinions are in reflection to a question that was asked.....ingrate!

There now I have pulled your tale!

http://www.nachi.org/forum/showpost....1&postcount=28

You are someone who needs to be aware of respect, you are with comments and that is your right, but between you and me I think that you really are not a happy person, and want to take it out on the comments made that seem to put you in your place. I will continue to be kind and avoid the remarks similar to your's because I know that they will come back and haunt you someday.

Best thing for you is to try to make more babies and make your wife happy. I wondered about that situation?

OH and by the way "IN GOD WE TRUST" was on the twenty dollar bill I lost today here in Las Vegas.

PS: Do you have the TIA's, Preprints,TCR's, TCD's, ROP's, and ROC"S?

I'll bet you don't and they have the reasons for the rules.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Will,

Point well taken.......nothing is always BLACK and WHITE and I tried to explain that in my posts.....If he would READ the posts he would see I call the exact things a defect......BUT I happen to know of specfic applications that are NOT of my creation for the most part....and the AHJ's vary on things.

Now......I do not teach students to work around the CODE...I was explaining a personal experience or something I have direct knowledge of...not how I would teach it and so on.....then he says something like...feels sorry for MY students....

I ACTUALLY thought members would get a kick out of hearing some things I have seen....BUT joe takes everything as BLACK and WHITE....not thinking it is possibly just a good story to tell......I have LOST all respect this guy...anything i post in regards to a story explain why I posted it....and in most part is based on a question directly from a member.....


Sure you may fall for his NEW LEAF......only because he finally understood he would loose NACHI money if he did not finally learn it....
I feel sorry for everyone that falls for his attempts to belittle....I
guess everyone forgets his past comments.....anyway...point taken...

My posts were experience...not simply STAMPING code and saying NO it cant be done....EXPLAIN it....dont just SAY IT.....

I can EXPLAIN every post I make in regards to code......not just spit references......I dont need to impress anyone here.....I know where I stand....

I did not take money from NACHI for a year trying to make electricians....

[William J. Decker]

Both of you are way (and getting further all the time) out of line.

I would ask for both of you to cool down and stop this childish display.

Consider! You are on a public board. As such, you are both bringing shame upon yourself and upon NACHI.

If you two are really bound and determined to duke it out, I would suggest that you take it private, between yourselves and yourselves only, either on the phone or via private e-mail.

This is not the place. Your public bickering does not advance the purpose of NACHI, nor enrich the members, nor serve any purpose other than you two getting into a public choad war which no one is interested in.

The fact that you have both chosen to do this in public speaks loads to your real purpose.

Take it private.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Joe....are you sure you are not speaking about the man who called me on the phone yelling and upset because you posted negative stuff about NACHI inspectors on another board and then called me........and were upset because it would cost you money due to your actions...

babies.........Boy you are way off....MY son is adopted and a gift from Above and WOW.....if that does not show you the REAL man you are in that statement I dont know what does........me and my wife cant have children so you are one SICK old fart...

Amazing.......You are a shallow old man....

Yes......spend that NACHI money in Vegas......

[jtedesco1]

Will: I agree, now the facts.

Is a panelboard installed inside of or behind a medicine cabinet with no working space in front a defect or not?

How would you report that defect?

[Paul W. Abernathy]

If you READ my posts I did not invoke it........BUT you are right...but I have seen many others SOIL NACHI on these boards before this....

Anyway.....thats fine.........tell you what JOE.......I know you NEED this INCOME........I dont...my electrical contracting business does just fine without NACHI...

My posts are here to help....not TAKE from members....

You got it Will..........I wont soil the board anymore......Joe can handle it all from here...it is what he wanted anyway because it FUNDS him.....I did it to volunteer and help....

Joebu.......I have no respect for you old man.....BUT you can have it...I have better things to do......you only see things as YOU see it...

Thanks Will........trust me........I am done

[William J. Decker]

Please, both of you.

Read this out loud to yourselves.

I take no side in your argument. I do, however, appeal to my right as a NACHI member to ask both of you to not post such childinsh bickering in a publically viewable area.

Any such squabbles between you two should be off-line.

Please, no more here.

[Erby Crofutt]

Here's some lighten up.

http://b4uclose.tripod.com/cockamami...dex.album?i=13

[William J. Decker]

Knew I could count on you, Erby!

Like breaking up a fight between your two best friends (who are both acting like jerks) by cutting a joke.

Always works.

My hat is off to you. The comedians will truely inherit the Earth!

[jclark1]

I have to agree with Will. These threads are getting ridiculous. There really is no reason to always throw in ways a contractor can get around the code, Paul. That isn't what the average HI here is looking for. Simple straight forward answers would be much appreciated. Maybe you can just use the personal message feature to hash these things out. I've been a Journeyman electrician for 15 yrs. and I know that certain articles in the code can have so many exceptions and footnotes, but the average HI doesn't need to know that. You both provide the HI's on this board a lot of good stuff but sometimes they have to really wade through a lot of crap.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

James,

Their are only (2) posts where I attempted to give a different view to explain something...BUT I am flamed for it...ALL my other 600+ posts on here simply educate....I TWICE simply tried to explain a reason why something may be allowed...Because a members asked......

I repeat...I did not POST ways to get around any code..was simply explaining to a question by a member...

BUT you can rest assured.....I sure wont impart personal experiences on NACHI any longer.......Simply NOT worth it.

I again post (2) responses to direct questions asked and I get labeled someone who looks to get around code...because someone I wont name SPINS it that way...

I most certainly don't need this crap.......So someone else can handle it

[Harvey Gordon]

Paul not sure what just happened but just so you know...guys like me just read around smart posts and find the little nuggets...please dont stop being who you are...thank you for your posts!

[jtedesco1]

James:

OK, and I agree:

Is a panelboard installed inside of, or behind a medicine cabinet with no working space in front a defect or not?

How would you report that defect?

[jclark1]

Paul, maybe there was only twice you took that route, I've seen more than two threads with bickering and made an assumption that was the basis for the argument. Sorry if that ASSumtion was wrong. It's great to have both you and Joe on this discussion board and it seems like you both like helping to educate HI's, in that sense you're both very valuable resources. For the sake of this board I hope you can both continue to advise and teach.
Joe, you both agreed at some point in the thread that panel was a violation of the stated articles.