What would requirements be???

[mmatalik]

i agree with the last two. why is everyone so interested in inspecting to code, when that is not the job of the home inspector. sure, it is good to know some of those things for guidance, but I wouldn't report that something is or isn't a code violation, unless I was trained to do so. just a comment. I would report that there is no light or outlet and be done with it.

I do agree that this is a good example though of whether an outlet is necessary though.

[James H. Bushart]

I've come to appreciate that "code"....as a basic minimum standard....can be widely interpretted.

The code books, themselves, say so. They leave it to the discretion of every AHJ tasked with enforcing it to interpret it in the manner that is necessary to preserve the intent...within their jurisdiction.

The code books tell the designers and the technicians that....even when an AHJ says it is "okay"....they can still be held liable. This is why they have a duty to appeal "bad" interpretations since, even if they comply, it is still their necks on the line.

Likewise, with us.

The intent of the provision is what is important to us...just as it is to the AHJ. If a lack of available receptacles can cause our client to overuse extension cords and risk their safety....regardless of what one or two "experts" might say....our duty is to call it out.

That is what the code books say to do.

[Speedy Petey]

James, you are doing what many AHJs do. You are imposing your opinion as fact. Sorry, but you are incorrect that this area REQUIRES a receptacle.

You can suggest it, or say it is a good idea, which I have NO problem with, but that was NOT the original question.
In fact, your profession is more stating opinion than anything else. This ideology is repeated time and time again: you guys don't do code.

The original question was is a receptacle required. NO, it is NOT.
I also repeat, I make this statement strictly from a code standpoint.
You find me a code that says it is required and I'll read it.

The code books tell the designers and the technicians that....even when an AHJ says it is "okay"....they can still be held liable.

I am curious as to what "code book" you found this in.

[Speedy Petey]

Originally Posted by mmatalik

why is everyone so interested in inspecting to code, when that is not the job of the home inspector.

Michael, quite the opposite. Most of you HIs are saying code is not the issue. I am not an HI.
I am merely make code references for clarification and factual purposes.

[tdietrich1]

At a minuim it is a hallway. It requires switched controled lighting outlet inside.

Also, there should be a switch for a light outside.

tom

[Speedy Petey]

A hallway??????

[tdietrich1]

Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

A hallway??????

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hallway

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foyer

At a minimum.

tom

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

I am curious as to what "code book" you found this in.

NEC, Annex G, 80.29

[klott]

Speedy,I did not know that you're not a HI, mighty nice of you to come here and help out. Ken

[Speedy Petey]

Originally Posted by jbushart

NEC, Annex G, 80.29

And here I thought you guys didn't do code.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

And here I thought you guys didn't do code.

We do....but we do it our own way.

[Marc D. Shunk]

That room needs a receptacle every couple feet of wall space, a light, a battery backed up emergency light, battery backed up exit signs, grab bars, luminescent egress path tape on the floor, smoke detector, rate of rise detector, fire alarm horn and strobe, fire alarm manual pull station, smoke evacuation fans, audible exit instruction annunciator, anthrax detector, hitching post for bomb sniffing dog, metal detector at the door, and lever type locksets. That ought to cover it.

[Don't get too wacky. It's a porch. It needs very minimal lighting of some sort to satisfy the building code and that's it. If the door going into the house has a window in it, there would be enough light shining through it from the light inside to satisfy the building code requirements, minimal as they are. ]

[Michael Larson]

You forgot the trap door for the tax assessor.

[sfalvey]

As always, I appreciate the input and conversation.

Thanks for the participation.

[Greg Fretwell]

As for the code issue, I am not sure there is a violation given what I see here.

At the risk of another red box I will say again, why do you care what the code says. If it is going to be a convenience/design issue for the customer, cite it. You are a home inspector, not a code inspector.