CO death in newly built home

[wforsyth]

Nooooo....I want a green box. I want a green box only YOU can give me Russel.

Yes. I am shamelessly flirting with you. It's just for fun and I'm sleep deprived.

Nighty night!

[Charley L. Bottger]

It was my understanding that this was a HVAC Thread not a cat fight.
</IMG></IMG> My last look we had 455 in the bleachers on this thread to bad it was not concerning something of importance.

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by wforsyth

Nighty night!

At 1:23 in the afternoon?

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by rray

At 1:23 in the afternoon?

Yeah. I was up all night. Drove a friend to town at 7am. Came home and was ready to pass out?

No comment on my shameless flirting? Not gonna call me a hussy or anything?

Sigh...

I'm losing my touch.

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by wforsyth

Yeah. I was up all night. Drove a friend to town at 7am. Came home and was ready to pass out?

No comment on my shameless flirting? Not gonna call me a hussy or anything?

Sigh...

I'm losing my touch.

Well, first, you're simply flirting with the wrong person. Jim and I have been together for 13½ years and I have no interest in anyone else. I might not be able to get married here, but my relationship sure has lasted a lot longer than my high school and college friends, some of whom are on their fourth and fifth (and one on her eleventh) marriages. Sanctity of marriage, indeed.

Second, I don't use names such as those you're wanting me to call you.

Third, if I called you "a hussy or anything," that would give you exactly the "slamming on women" that you claim I have done but which you cannot prove because I haven't done it.

So as to whether or not you are losing your touch, and the fact that you seem to be proud of things that I don't necessarily think one should be proud of, I really can't speak to that in your case. You're on your own there. Look deep into your heart and mind.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Tools are tools but they're only a snapshot in time. Three (3) times in the winter months over the past 2 years have I found a hole or crack in a furnace heat exchanger; wrote it up and recommended replacing the furnace (20 + yrs old) - then 3-4 days later get a call from an irate seller or agent telling me they've had hotrod harry the furnace technician out and there's nothing wrong with the furnace. Each time I've patiently told whoever I'm talking to that I don't report on maybe's. If I said its got a hole or crack then its there, and I apologise for the inconvenience but the service tech is not as good at what he does as I am at what I do.

They get more irate thinking the HI must be wrong because the service tech or gas company used a carbon monoxide detector. So I go back out a 2nd time (with my buyer in tow) and do things like use a telescoping mirror; a borescope; or maybe drill a hole in the plenum and spray a water/oil mixture over the top of the HE and wait for it to show up inside the HE. I've also taken a coat hanger, cut it in two - stretched it out, bent it and put it up inside the HE area and showed them with my mirror how the coat hanger goes through the HE wall. BOTTOM LINE - carbon monoxide detectors can lull people into thinking conditions are OK when they're NOT OK. In each of these cases, I just thank the lord these folks didn't rely on some bozo with his carbon monoxide detector.

Do I have one - yes. Do I use it - sometimes. Do I rely on it 100% - NO.

[Robert J. OConnor]

Originally Posted by dbowers

BOTTOM LINE - carbon monoxide detectors can lull people into thinking conditions are OK when they're NOT OK. In each of these cases, I just thank the lord these folks didn't rely on some bozo with his carbon monoxide detector.

Do I have one - yes. Do I use it - sometimes. Do I rely on it 100% - NO.

Agree completely ...

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by dbowers

Tools are tools but they're only a snapshot in time. Three (3) times in the winter months over the past 2 years have I found a hole or crack in a furnace heat exchanger; wrote it up and recommended replacing the furnace (20 + yrs old) - then 3-4 days later get a call from an irate seller or agent telling me they've had hotrod harry the furnace technician out and there's nothing wrong with the furnace. Each time I've patiently told whoever I'm talking to that I don't report on maybe's. If I said its got a hole or crack then its there, and I apologise for the inconvenience but the service tech is not as good at what he does as I am at what I do.

They get more irate thinking the HI must be wrong because the service tech or gas company used a carbon monoxide detector. So I go back out a 2nd time (with my buyer in tow) and do things like use a telescoping mirror; a borescope; or maybe drill a hole in the plenum and spray a water/oil mixture over the top of the HE and wait for it to show up inside the HE. I've also taken a coat hanger, cut it in two - stretched it out, bent it and put it up inside the HE area and showed them with my mirror how the coat hanger goes through the HE wall. BOTTOM LINE - carbon monoxide detectors can lull people into thinking conditions are OK when they're NOT OK. In each of these cases, I just thank the lord these folks didn't rely on some bozo with his carbon monoxide detector.

Do I have one - yes. Do I use it - sometimes. Do I rely on it 100% - NO.

Great post.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by rray

Well, first, you're simply flirting with the wrong person. Jim and I have been together for 13½ years and I have no interest in anyone else. I might not be able to get married here, but my relationship sure has lasted a lot longer than my high school and college friends, some of whom are on their fourth and fifth (and one on her eleventh) marriages. Sanctity of marriage, indeed.

Second, I don't use names such as those you're wanting me to call you.

Third, if I called you "a hussy or anything," that would give you exactly the "slamming on women" that you claim I have done but which you cannot prove because I haven't done it.

So as to whether or not you are losing your touch, and the fact that you seem to be proud of things that I don't necessarily think one should be proud of, I really can't speak to that in your case. You're on your own there. Look deep into your heart and mind.

You are absolutely no fun.

Since when is flirting always sexual or with the intent of promoting a relationship?

It's just casual banter, and I don't particularly want you to call me a hussy, I was surprised you hadn't.

Wiped out tired and had been trying to lighten things up, but I see you are still picking apart people's posts, so I'll give that up.

Night.

[Brian E. Kelly]

I think I will be buying some new CO alarms tomorrow.

[wforsyth]

Yep, when you've come that close to death, you don't forget it.

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by wforsyth

You are absolutely no fun.

Not with someone who obviously has an agenda that I don't necessarily agree with.

Originally Posted by wforsyth

Since when is flirting always sexual or with the intent of promoting a relationship?

It doesn't have to be, but I don't know your intents and don't even want to take a chance on your ulterior motives.

Originally Posted by wforsyth

It's just casual banter, and I don't particularly want you to call me a hussy, I was surprised you hadn't.

Why that would surprise you? Perhaps you're thinking of one of those Florida guys who's been after you. 'Twasn't me, though.

Originally Posted by wforsyth

Wiped out tired and had been trying to lighten things up, but I see you are still picking apart people's posts, so I'll give that up.

When it comes to your posts, yes, I guess I'll have to continue picking them apart. But I'm quite sure you won't give up.

[jclark1]

Look what I missed while off the grid for 9 days. Somebody's off her meds...

[Russel Ray]

Vacation?

Ms Margarita and Dr Cuervo have left on vacation since Mr Rummy Eggnog is in town.

[Gary Reecher]

Originally Posted by mmorgan

I'm going to take this thread back to a CO discussion.

I have a Bacharach Combustion Analyzer. I don't test at every house - only when the furnace is old or I smell that aldehyde smell that is often produced along with CO. About a year ago, I inspected such a furnace. The furnace itself was producing very high levels of CO (greater than 1000 ppm, if my memory serves me correctly). I then checked at one of the supply registers and measured 8 ppm CO. I informed the client about this and explained to him the potential danger. He called me a week or so later and told me that the HVAC tech that he had come check out the furnace said there was no problem. I told him that I didn't agree and that he should be careful and at least install a CO alarm. I haven't heard from him since and hope that everything is ok with him and the furnace.

Morgan .. Unfortunately there are still many HVAC companies that do not have electronic co/combustion testing meters and many that have them and are not used consistently because the technicians have never received proper training on their use as a diagnostic tool. They don't know that the ANSI standards for undiluted flue gases must be below 400 ppm air free and probably don't very much care. They don't care that high levels are being generated. Hey the gases are being contained in the flue so it's ok is their motto. Ignorance is bliss to them. I have found cracked heat exchangers and other comapnies come in and say that they aren't open they are ok with the manufacturer. ?????? Yet these manufacturers get their equipment certified by AGA which states in their inspection procedures that if a crack is seen the heat exchanger or furnace must be replaced. To me you can't have your appliance certified then ignore that agencies requirements. An occurence happened in Chicago a few years back that a family got poisoned from a furnace that had developed cracks. Someone called the local wholesaler for that brand and talked with their technical staff about cracked heat exchangers and was told not to worry about the cracks. Well that someone that made the phone call happened to be a local tv newsman.

Never heard what happened to the technical rep on that one but I bet it wasn't good.

There are good, bad and uninformed people in every trade. You were unfortunate to get one that was the latter.