Gas Log Flue venting height.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by dvalley

Did I appear to post in a rude and arrogant manner?

Sorry guys!!!

You are fine David. And nice illustration by the way, where did you get those?

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

And nice illustration by the way, where did you get those?

I have a collection of images on my hard drive. Can't remember where I got that particular one.

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by tneumann

So do I but they don't ever make it into any reports..........

I don't do images in my reports. But that's another topic.

[lagudo]

Originally Posted by dvalley

Louis,

This code (that I mentioned in my post above) has been in existence for many, many years.

The Seller does not know what they're talking about.

That Chimney needs to be extended. Period.

David,

I agree but its not up to me to convince the owner. I'm just stating the facts for the buyer and let them sort the details out in the contract of the sale of the home.

Louis Agudo

[Jay Moge]

code shmode. the code was writen because a safety issue is pressent if it's out of code. safety is above code to me, and i could care less if the house was built by Fred Flintstone himself, i'd call it out for potential exhaust fume entering the living space..... let them do with it what they will.

[lagudo]

Hi Guys,

I've been corresponding with the agent on this one point because the installer said that it was okay to install it this way. He faxed her and she in turn faxed me a diagram of the pipe coming out of the roof 24" from the side wall and extending up 3' . The diagram also shows a 2' overhang on the sidewall. He said that this is allowed. Now I'm confused. I'm looking at the gas appliance venting in the IRC codebook and I think we all agree that the install is wrong but he is providing manufacturers documentation that it is a correct install. Any Thoughts.

Louis Agudo
Home Sweet Home Inspection Services

[David P. Valley]

If there is a manufacturers documentation depicting that this installation is correct, then let it be. My report would not change in any way whatsoever.

Just inform your client, that if there are problems in the future (with this install), they now know who to contact. Make sure they obtain this documentation at or before closing for their records.

I'm still trying to figure out how a manufacturers installation procedure can supersede National code.

[lagudo]

David ,
I agree, I'm not going to change my report but I will let hem know who to contact in the future if they have any problems.
Thanks
Louis

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by dvalley

I don't do images in my reports.

I do.
There's a certain marketing WOW factor that one accomplishes with images and pictures that one cannot accomplish with mere text. The world moves on.

Video/DVD inspection reports are next.

[lagudo]

RRay,

Are suggesting that I should have put the diagram from my code book on gas appliance vent terminations next to the picture of the defect, give my text explanation and let them decide. Sounds like a good idea.

Louis Agudo

[ddelaney]

Louis,

I would not put any code referrence in any report. If you do, you are opening yourself to a liability issue--if the buyer finds something else later, that a contractor might say is a code issue, and they referrence your report to see that it's the same code you referrenced, they will try to hold your inspection performance to that code standard......i.e., you will be expected to have used the same code throughout the entire inspection.

I simply state that: a flue should extend a minimum of 24" about anything within a 10' radius, or 36" above the main roof line. This is due to the dispersion of smoke, fumes, and harmful gases, and allows for proper venting without backdrafting issues.
When they see it from a safety aspect (carbon monoxide), they aren't concerned with code or grandfather rights, etc. Whoever says it's OK after they read your report, assumes the liability--that's what we like

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by lagudo

RRay,

Are suggesting that I should have put the diagram from my code book on gas appliance vent terminations next to the picture of the defect, give my text explanation and let them decide. Sounds like a good idea.

Louis Agudo

When I use diagrams, I call them "illustrations" and make sure there is nothing there except the diagram, for example, no text from any code book or anything.

The most useful book I've found for the quality and usefulness of its illustrations is "The Illustrated Home." It comes on CD, as well, and they encourage you to use the illustrations.

The illustration I use most frequently is one of a chimney cricket. The first time I mentioned chimney crickets, the Client called the pest control professional complaining about crickets. Ever since then, a picture of the offending chimney and an illustration of a chimney with a cricket.

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by ddelaney

I would not put any code referrence in any report. If you do, you are opening yourself to a liability issue--if the buyer finds something else later, that a contractor might say is a code issue, and they referrence your report to see that it's the same code you referrenced, they will try to hold your inspection performance to that code standard......i.e., you will be expected to have used the same code throughout the entire inspection.

I simply state that: a flue should extend a minimum of 24" about anything within a 10' radius, or 36" above the main roof line. This is due to the dispersion of smoke, fumes, and harmful gases, and allows for proper venting without backdrafting issues.
When they see it from a safety aspect (carbon monoxide), they aren't concerned with code or grandfather rights, etc. Whoever says it's OK after they read your report, assumes the liability--that's what we like

Ditto.

Great advice, INMHSMOAIHEHAMY.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by lagudo

Hi Guys,

I've been corresponding with the agent on this one point because the installer said that it was okay to install it this way. He faxed her and she in turn faxed me a diagram of the pipe coming out of the roof 24" from the side wall and extending up 3' . The diagram also shows a 2' overhang on the sidewall. He said that this is allowed. Now I'm confused. I'm looking at the gas appliance venting in the IRC codebook and I think we all agree that the install is wrong but he is providing manufacturers documentation that it is a correct install. Any Thoughts.

Louis Agudo
Home Sweet Home Inspection Services

Louis can you post the diagram? Can you tell us who the manufacturer is?

[Jay Moge]

Originally Posted by rray

Ditto.

Great advice, INMHSMOAIHEHAMY.

gazoontite.