Gas Logs........

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Hey Guys,

Here is another image of an inspection I did today....notice how I am not posting "Electrical" ones for you today.......some of these are interesting and I like other peoples take on them....

The house had (3) fireplaces and all of them had Gas Logs in them...all off of course....but in all of them the gas shut off was behind the actual logs....and the "copper" LP lines were ran directly through the BOX into the fireplace with copper lines...no sleeves through the cinder blocks or anything...

Anyway...sure hate to have to cut off the unit while it is going due to an emergency....lol

Also......would G2415.8 'Protection against corrosion " apply to the LP lines simply being drilled and run through cinder blocks.....with no sleeve?

How about some thoughts fellas.......

P.S. NO manuals exist and I am sure G2420.5.1 of the IRC will be envoked here...."Equipment shutoff valves located in the firebox of a fireplace shall be installed in accordance with the appliance manufacturer's instructions."

lol....Not sure.....could not find a name on it...nor any instructions....but I would not install it in my house this way.....you can't reach the valve on one of them....and the other two you have to actually crawl into the fireplace...lol

[Paul W. Abernathy]

P.S...I am not talking about the FireBlocks....the lines are drilled through Cinder Block in the back side of the fireplaces...and the copper lines are in contact with the cinderblock on the otherside....

[Dale Duffy]

Another amateur cob-job.... ....you'll have that!....

[Paul W. Abernathy]

BUT would you write it up.....the 1,000,000 question.....

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

BUT would you write it up.....the 1,000,000 question.....

Yes....I would also want the shut-off within a reasonable reach outside the firebox or another shut-off.

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

http://www.csia.org/homeowners/inspe...ree-levels.htm

Level 2 Inspections – A Level 2 inspection is required when any changes are made to the system. Changes can include a change in the fuel type, changes to the shape of, or material in, the flue (i.e. relining), or the replacement or addition of an appliance of a dissimilar type, input rating or efficiency. Additionally, a Level 2 inspection is required upon the sale or transfer of a property or after an operation malfunction or external event that is likely to have caused damage to the chimney. Building fires, chimney fires, seismic events as well as weather events are all indicators that this level of inspection is warranted. A Level 2 inspection is a more in-depth inspection than a Level 1 inspection. A Level 2 inspection includes everything in a Level 1 inspection, plus the accessible portions of the chimney exterior and interior including attics, crawl spaces and basements. It will address proper clearances from combustibles in accessible locations. There are no specialty tools (i.e. demolition equipment) required to open doors, panels or coverings in performing a Level 2 inspection. A Level 2 inspection shall also include a visual inspection by video scanning or other means in order to examine the internal surfaces and joints of all flue liners incorporated within the chimney. No removal or destruction of permanently attached portions of the chimney or building structure or finish shall be required by a Level 2 inspection.

Recommend a Level 2 Inspection of the Fireplace and Flue for all Fireplaces per NFPA Guidelines.

Justification being....

1. A Level 2 inspection is required when any changes are made to the system.

2. A Level 2 inspection is required upon the sale or transfer of a property.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Yeppers....I wrote it up...sure enough........Seller was unhappy....

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Paul,

Standard reporting for all chimneys even if there is no visible deficiency.

http://www.csia.org/homeowners/inspe...ree-levels.htm

Level 2 Inspections – A Level 2 inspection is required when any changes are made to the system. Changes can include a change in the fuel type, changes to the shape of, or material in, the flue (i.e. relining), or the replacement or addition of an appliance of a dissimilar type, input rating or efficiency. Additionally, a Level 2 inspection is required upon the sale or transfer of a property or after an operation malfunction or external event that is likely to have caused damage to the chimney. Building fires, chimney fires, seismic events as well as weather events are all indicators that this level of inspection is warranted. A Level 2 inspection is a more in-depth inspection than a Level 1 inspection. A Level 2 inspection includes everything in a Level 1 inspection, plus the accessible portions of the chimney exterior and interior including attics, crawl spaces and basements. It will address proper clearances from combustibles in accessible locations. There are no specialty tools (i.e. demolition equipment) required to open doors, panels or coverings in performing a Level 2 inspection. A Level 2 inspection shall also include a visual inspection by video scanning or other means in order to examine the internal surfaces and joints of all flue liners incorporated within the chimney. No removal or destruction of permanently attached portions of the chimney or building structure or finish shall be required by a Level 2 inspection.

Recommendation is in the Report. What the Buyer and/or Agent chooses to do with the recommendation is their decision.

There is No Liability related to Advice NOT Taken.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Oh I hear ya Joseph....Be assured I CUT and PASTED it.......no doubt fella....If I did not use it I would be a hipocrite since I give the same advice on electrical issues.......I most certainly appreciate it....

[jmichalski]

I agree about the level 2 inspections. I will offer some observations on items (as you did, Paul) but will always defer to the overall need for a Level 2.

[mthomas2]

Joe,

FWIW, the CSIA site where you picked up the cut and past above and suggested for inclusion in reports says:

Please note that this material is copyright protected. Therefore, it is illegal to display or reproduce this information for any commercial purpose, including use as public relations literature. To obtain reprint permission or order in a brochure format, please conatct contact CSIA at (317) 837-5362 or office@csia.org.

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Here is another link....

http://www.csia.org/pressroom/press-...-explained.htm