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Old 4/8/06, 11:31 PM
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Default Oxidation on Copper Gas Line

Line feeds a gas water heater. Can anyone tell me the reason for this oxidation? If it was a water pipe, I'd know the answer. Thought it was unusual for gas.

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Default Re: Oxidation on Copper Gas Line

Should be in plumbing section. Sorry!



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Default Re: Oxidation on Copper Gas Line

My guess is lack of proper cleaning after the soldering process.



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Default Re: Oxidation on Copper Gas Line

........or, if those joints aren't 100% gas tight, a leak will be present, propane and n.g. are realy realy cold when the run threw the pipe, and when they leak, condensation will occur and there's your moisture, maybe?
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My guess is lack of proper cleaning after the soldering process.
i like that too, acid in the flux will cause the same thing sometimes.
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I like Bruce and Jay's answers.



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3/4 inch copper line for gas with joints???????? Wow....

You won't see that in my area. 1/4 inch copper tubing (with no joints) is the maximum I see in Massachusetts.

Is that piping legal in your area?

Maybe they should have used threaded black iron.

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I've never seen copper used for gas in any of the states where I have worked.



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I'm with David on that one.

that is a hazard waiting to happen!

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I've never seen copper used for gas in any of the states where I have worked.
Copper tubing is a norm in the United States.

Here's some learning material for ya....

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Default Re: Oxidation on Copper Gas Line

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Copper tubing is a norm in the United States.

Here's some learning material for ya....

Attachment 2735
Found this on that site: "In addition to mechanical joints, or in many cases instead of mechanical joints, brazed joints utilizing ASME/ANSI B16.22 wrought copper fittings may be used in copper gas distribution systems. When brazed connections are required, they should be made using a brazing alloy with a melting point above 1,000 F. The brazing alloy must contain less than 0.05% phosphorus."

So, do ya'll think the fittings are a concern? It's crunch time for me on this report.



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So, do ya'll think the fittings are a concern?
No.

Wow.

One cannot enter a simple No. on our new message board. Has to be at least 4 characters, and spaces apparently don't count as characters.

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If this 3/4 inch copper pipe was on my inspection, I would be recommending a plumber to evaluate.
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I would also, not because of the fittings, but because it's copper tubing being used as a gas supply line. The plumbers here would be replacing the copper gas supply line with galvanized iron or black steel.



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If this 3/4 inch copper pipe was on my inspection, I would be recommending a plumber to evaluate.
Please tell me exactly why that is?



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