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Old 12/15/06, 8:49 PM
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I have a questions: Are there any regulations on a propain tank (Large tank for heating house). Does the tank have to be 5' from a heat pump. I have never heard of regulations on this. Do you inspect the tank on an inspection?f
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I have a questions: Are there any regulations on a propain tank (Large tank for heating house). Does the tank have to be 5' from a heat pump. I have never heard of regulations on this. Do you inspect the tank on an inspection?f
This site that may help. Good diagram..

I guess it would help if I included the URL...
http://www.missiongas.com/images/tank-distances.jpg

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Old 12/16/06, 12:39 AM
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This site that may help. Good diagram..

I guess it would help if I included the URL...
http://www.missiongas.com/images/tank-distances.jpg

Ralph
John; yes there are requirements for footage to a habitual dwelling and I can not state them off of the top of my head and can not read Ralph's image not clear. I want to say 50 feet but don't quote me. And yes I do inspect large propane tanks especially for leakage. I use my spray bottle of Dawn dishsoap all of the fittings and the tank % gage have found two large leaks on these gages in the past. The tank has to be emptied to replace the gasket on this gage.
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Old 12/19/06, 9:53 PM
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Let's spell it close to correctly before we continue to discuss it. What an emabarrasment!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12/19/06, 11:08 PM
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Let's spell it close to correctly before we continue to discuss it.
The reply window has a simple spell check option button at the bottom. I prefer an add-on explorer tool called "ieSpell" ... real handy ...

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Old 12/19/06, 11:10 PM
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The filler cap on a propane tank needs to be 10 away from any potential ignition source ... including HVAC units (window units and condensers) which are considered an ignition source.

Code Check - HVAC has the basics ... including that provision ...

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Old 12/21/06, 11:31 AM
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I had a newspaper article (front page) about the folks who lost power around these parts of the country..

The picture was of a elderly man sitting in his recliner in the living room.....
What I could not believe was ....near his feet INSIDE the house was a 5 gallon size Propane radiant heater!!!

Soon he will be on the back pages of the newspaper in the obituaries

Are people that ignorant??? Call it "Stupidcide" Not suicide!
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Old 12/22/06, 12:44 AM
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While all these responses are good to follow with the stated "minimum" distances, I would still contact a local gas inspector or "authority having jouristiction", as it were. They may have different regulations from state to state as to what their minimum allowable distance is. I know even here in Canada, even though our code books say one thing, if the inspector wants it moved farther... you move it.
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Old 12/22/06, 12:37 PM
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I know even here in Canada, even though our code books say one thing, if the inspector wants it moved farther... you move it.
The old joke is "the requirements are not whats written in the code book ... the requirements are what the inspector says is written in the the code book"

There is some truth to that, but luckily an HI is not doing a code inspection (in fact the word "code" or "regulations" shouldn't even appear in a report), and is just looking for defects from a visual inspection based on industry standards and practice. The other thing is that codes and regulations change over time, and the actual requirements are those in effect at the time of the installation, which generally takes a bit of research to establish.

But if you happen to know of some unusual local restrictions (e.g. sheathed cable in Chicago) you may want to write up that concern, but be mindful it may be a "grandfathered" installation and be careful how you write it up to avoid the appearance of doing a code compliance inspection (very slippery slope).

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Old 12/22/06, 9:43 PM
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Ken,

What's really an embarrassment is your
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Perhaps you should, occasionally, follow your own advice!!!!

Robert, I guess my photos don't really constitute a 10 foot clearance, huh?

http://b4uclose.tripod.com/cockamami...dex.album?i=26

http://b4uclose.tripod.com/cockamami...dex.album?i=25
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Old 12/23/06, 11:45 AM
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Here you go Inspectors..

Take a look at this...

I realize this poor guy is cold but....

What is wrong with this picture???


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