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Old 9/30/10, 8:06 PM
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How do you guys check in slab or below floor radiant heating systems to ensure they are producing heat in the rooms they service if you cannot access the piping? I imagine a thermal imaging camera would do well here but I don't own one.




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Old 9/30/10, 8:37 PM
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How do you guys check in slab or below floor radiant heating systems to ensure they are producing heat in the rooms they service if you cannot access the piping? I imagine a thermal imaging camera would do well here but I don't own one.
You need one In your tool bag
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Old 9/30/10, 8:56 PM
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You need one In your tool bag
Nice! Very Nice!

If I did more homes that had this type of heating system I might invest in one. In the meantime, can I borrow yours?




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seven inspections with radiant in the last month here, and 3 I would not have got with out the ir because people are doing their homework and the other 4 I would have to say "I think the heat works" with out it. I see alot of kitchen and bath with recent renos having the nuheat electric under the ceramic, clients are very happy to see the results. Charley's right..
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Old 9/30/10, 11:50 PM
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Nice! Very Nice!

If I did more homes that had this type of heating system I might invest in one. In the meantime, can I borrow yours?
Sure I have 3 which one do you want



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Old 9/30/10, 11:54 PM
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Never needed one to see if the radiant heat operated properly. Nice toy, though. Waiting for the $999 model.



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How could you spot a leak? or a bad install? I will try and find a pic from last year when I brought Bill Devries in for one in a new house. Unless Bill sees this and has it handy. Without the ir there would be no way to have helped the owner.
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How could you spot a leak? or a bad install? I will try and find a pic from last year when I brought Bill Devries in for one in a new house. Unless Bill sees this and has it handy. Without the ir there would be no way to have helped the owner.
I would love to see that pic if you can find it.




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Pics are in the report, pdf from Home Inspector Pro. Won't copy and paste for me because it's secured. Not sure how to do this. Homeowner was screwed by dirty contractor, still not solved and contractor is pretty much bankrupt so not sure how it will work out.
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Got it.
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Pics from Bill Devries of Magnum Property Inspections.
Thanks for your help on this one Billy!
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Old 10/1/10, 9:46 AM
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How could you spot a leak? or a bad install?
As I see it, you are providing an additional service to the inspection and....hopefully....charging an additional fee for it in exchange for the additional liability.

There is no requirement (nor client expectation) for such service as part of a standard home inspection.



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There is no requirement (nor client expectation) for such service as part of a standard home inspection.
There is when they call up asking for it... (as posted)



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There is when they call up asking for it... (as posted)
Not true.

When they ask for it, it is an additional service ADDED to a standard inspection which...hopefully....you are adding an additional fee.



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Old 10/1/10, 3:59 PM
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Never needed one to see if the radiant heat operated properly. Nice toy, though. Waiting for the $999 model.
You Probably will have to wait until the price is $25.00 before you can afford one with over 16000 post on this board there is no time for you to do inspections I would not want you to be without grocery money



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Old 10/1/10, 5:19 PM
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You Probably will have to wait until the price is $25.00 before you can afford one with over 16000 post on this board there is no time for you to do inspections I would not want you to be without grocery money
You must not be too good at calculating math, bud. Been a full time inspector since 2004. I just spent over $8000 on some new equipment (blower door, combustion analyzer and a few other meters) a few months ago....but did not consider your fancy flashlight (aka IR camera) to be essential.

You are a fraud, by the way. Now that you have your new toy, you advertise to the public that all other inspectors (just like you, two years ago) are not doing the whole job.

Before you were telling people that they were not doing a full home inspection without an IR camera (I think you bought yours around the same time as McKKKenna did)....you (a retired HVAC tech) were telling people that they were not doing a full home inspection without performing a service call on their HVAC unit.

You love yourself waaaaaaaayyyy too much, but still your insecurity and need to be "better" than others reeks with your every post.

By the way, you charge for a 2500 sq ft house what most of us do for a 1200 sq ft condo.....but I especially like how you tell people that they are NOT getting a full inspection without IR imaging, then you offer to provide them with a $350 for a 2500 sq ft house WITHOUT IR imaging. Why would you want to list an inspection and price an inspection that you say is no good? Especially so cheap?

But then...we all charge what we are worth. Your low prices are right in line, IMO.

Have fun with your toy, Charley...and have fun thinking how much better it makes you than others to have one....but don't try to convince anyone smarter than you (which is just about everybody) that your toys make you a better home inspector.

Like I said, when they get down to the price that I think they are worth, I'll buy one. When I do, I'll still charge more than you, as do most of your competitors.

Meanwhile, instead of trying to tell others how bad they are...try improving yourself. Here is something you won't find with an IR camera that reflects upon you to the public as an inspector.....your bio with Active Rain.

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Graduaded Harrah Ok high school 1963 joined the Navy spent two tours in Vietnam returning home and attended Cameron university Jr. college. Retired from the HVAC field in 2002.
This shames an entire profession. If you don't recognize the spelling and grammar errors, find a second grader and ask him to help you rewrite this. Judging as to how this bio was presented to real estate professionals with the intent to be referred by them, I shudder to think what one of your reports must look like. Is that the idea of IR photos....to take the reader's attention away from the fact that your reports are written in crayon? It makes sense why you would sell them so cheap.



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