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Old 5/5/11, 9:52 AM
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Default What is this thing in the return plenum box?

What's wrong, missing, not working?
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Default Re: What is this thing in the return plenum box?

NEW RETURN TRUNK DESIGN EXTENSION
I have never seen this in SSM On.
I think you are missing the return to some area not served on that direct return plenum.
Purhaps an office or addition added.



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Old 5/5/11, 3:56 PM
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Charley, I don't want YOU spilling the beans!!!

OK, Hint...

Supply air pressure 97 pa. (97 pascal = 0.389 419 186 31 inch of water [4 °C])
Turn off 2nd floor thermostat and pressure goes to 179 pa.
179 pascal = 0.718 618 910 81 inch of water [4 °C]

75pa = .3" wg ; residential system design duct pressure (static).
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Default Re: What is this thing in the return plenum box?

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Charley, I don't want YOU spilling the beans!!!

OK, Hint...

Supply air pressure 97 pa. (97 pascal = 0.389 419 186 31 inch of water [4 °C])
Turn off 2nd floor thermostat and pressure goes to 179 pa.
179 pascal = 0.718 618 910 81 inch of water [4 °C]

75pa = .3" wg ; residential system design duct pressure (static).
Sounds like there is a zoned forced air supply system......which is quite a rare bird in residences.

What are you showing in the first picture other than a couple of
plenum/duct takeoffs? Still not a great picture in the second photo.....I'm thinking a duct damper control arm.....but in the return?

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Sounds like there is a zoned forced air supply system......which is quite a rare bird in residences.
Pretty common here in residences over 35K



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Pretty common here in residences over 35K
Do you mean 35,000 ft2 or 3,500ft2?

I can see it being used in cooling climes.....need to get that cooling upstairs. Predominantly heating climate here- 95%+. I used to see it in larger 1950-1960's homes and in the odd other one......but we haven't had much cooling in houses here until the last 5-10 years......HP/AC units being seen more and more.
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Hows the filter?
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House is 2,563 sf.



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Sounds like there is a zoned forced air supply system......which is quite a rare bird in residences.

What are you showing in the first picture other than a couple of
plenum/duct takeoffs? Still not a great picture in the second photo.....I'm thinking a duct damper control arm.....but in the return?
Had zoned HVAC in a 3 story townhouse last week.
Cat 4 with 3 thermostats.
Had a damper controlled vent to the garage to boot.
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Had a damper controlled vent to the garage to boot.
Was it listed as a fire-damper?

I find thermostatically controlled dampers in homes of all shapes and sizes. The dampers, however, usually include control boxes and balancers
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Was it listed as a fire-damper?

I find thermostatically controlled dampers in homes of all shapes and sizes. The dampers, however, usually include control boxes and balancers
I had this on the forum last week asking about it if it was OK in the heating section.
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[quote=Brian A. MacNeish;780005]Do you mean 35,000 ft2 or 3,500ft2?

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Jeff & Bob, you both posted pics of the missing parts...
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I had this on the forum last week asking about it if it was OK in the heating section.
I don't recall that, but the duct to the garage would require a listed smoke-and-fire damper in my jurisdiction.



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