What is your HVAC procedure?

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by cbottger

Not on a regular basis only if the water temp is to low; again FEEL If it burns me no need for amp meter.-) I leave nothing to chance it either works or it does not and If I have to use a amp meter to determine if it is working as intended so be it. I won't have to consult with my lawyer or my insurance adviser as there is nothing in my reports that states I used an amp meter. I just report the unit was performing as intended or it was not.

Now I'm really confused. You can report whether it did or did not work, was or was not performing as intended without resorting to an amp meter to determine the amp draw.

I think many people use a delta split. I use my Clients. If they complain about it being too hot, I think it is working as intended. Then if it hasn't been inspected/serviced within the last 12 months, it needs to have that done since I don't dismantle the furnace to get to all areas of the heat exchanger.

So if you get into court and the attorney asks you, "Have you ever used am amp meter to determine the amp draw?" what will you say?

[Charley L. Bottger]

Originally Posted by rray

Ah, but, Charley, you can do the same with the furnace or water heater. Does the furnace provide hot air? Yes or no. Does the water heater provide hot water? Yes or no.

Its not whether it is providing hot air or hot water it is determined by; is it performing as it was designed to perform by the MFG. Yes a furnace can provide hot air with 3 of the 5 elements working but is it working as intended. NO
Can a hot water heater provide some hot water with just one element yes but it will run out real quick and again it is not performing as intended.

[Charley L. Bottger]

Originally Posted by rray

Now I'm really confused. You can report whether it did or did not work, was or was not performing as intended without resorting to an amp meter to determine the amp draw.

I think many people use a delta split. I use my Clients. If they complain about it being too hot, I think it is working as intended. Then if it hasn't been inspected/serviced within the last 12 months, it needs to have that done since I don't dismantle the furnace to get to all areas of the heat exchanger.

So if you get into court and the attorney asks you, "Have you ever used am amp meter to determine the amp draw?" what will you say?

No need for confusion you can not state that the furnace was absolutely performing as intended without the use of an amp meter. I don't operate on I THINK IT IS WORKING. Tell that to the Judge Sir I think the furnace was working. I just remove normal access panels on a furnace nothing more.

I have never been to court but if was asked that question the answer would be Yes to determine if the unit was performing as intended as no other means are available SIR

[Charley L. Bottger]

Hey quit ripping my shorts question# 1 was what do you other guys do. That is what I do take it or leave it---)))

[Charley L. Bottger]

Re: What is your HVAC procedure? See That is what the question was

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by cbottger

Its not whether it is providing hot air or hot water it is determined by; is it performing as it was designed to perform by the MFG. Yes a furnace can provide hot air with 3 of the 5 elements working but is it working as intended. NO
Can a hot water heater provide some hot water with just one element yes but it will run out real quick and again it is not performing as intended.

That's why I leave the furnace running for at least 10 minutes, or until everyone complains about how hot it is, and I probably use all 30/40/50 gallons of hot water during the course of my inspections.

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by cbottger

No need for confusion you can not state that the furnace was absolutely performing as intended without the use of an amp meter. I don't operate on I THINK IT IS WORKING. Tell that to the Judge Sir I think the furnace was working. I just remove normal access panels on a furnace nothing more.

That's why I run the furnace until my Clients (and others) complain about how hot it is. Tell that to the judge: "Well, judge, my Clients sure were complaining about how hot it was and asking when I was going to turn the furnace off, so it must have been working at the time of the inspection."

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by cbottger

Hey quit ripping my shorts question# 1 was what do you other guys do. That is what I do take it or leave it---)))

Understand. But since post #1 in this thread is by a person who only has 11 posts as of this moment, some of us don't want him to think going so far above and beyond the SOP is okay. I'd rather him hear lots of different ways, with some back and forth thrown in, and then go to his attorneys and insurance advisors with what he wants to do to see if the agree.

Not ripping you. Just trying to find out what you do, why you do it, and whether or not you are persistent and consistent.

You don't have to provide in your report a definitive explanation of what you did and why you did it. However, when one gets into court, it's that persistency and consistency in working that can save's one's assets. At this point, I'm not seeing the persistency and consistency in what you do, and that troubles me.

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by cbottger

Re: What is your HVAC procedure? See That is what the question was

See post #38.

I see you advertise yourself as a Master HVAC Mechanic (retired), so you could be justified in going above and beyond. However, many home inspectors who come from other professions many times have difficulty in leaving that other profession behind and being a home inspector. I see it all the time out here.

[Charley L. Bottger]

Originally Posted by rray

Now I'm really confused. You can report whether it did or did not work, was or was not performing as intended without resorting to an amp meter to determine the amp draw.

I think many people use a delta split. I use my Clients. If they complain about it being too hot, I think it is working as intended. Then if it hasn't been inspected/serviced within the last 12 months, it needs to have that done since I don't dismantle the furnace to get to all areas of the heat exchanger.

So if you get into court and the attorney asks you, "Have you ever used am amp meter to determine the amp draw?" what will you say?

This is your quote not mine in Red

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by cbottger

This is your quote not mine in Red

Yes, it is. And your point?

[Charley L. Bottger]

Originally Posted by rray

Yes, it is. And your point?

That word (think) just turns me up side down.
I have read another inspectors report in my area that uses the word think in his report. He thinks this and he thinks that. Im not sure but I think this. Makes me cringe.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by cbottger

Re: What is your HVAC procedure? See That is what the question was

It is the parts of your responses such as this tidbit...

if you are not checking the amp draw on each individual element you are not performing for your client and believe this should be added to every SOP. For the naysayers concerning this check I am of the opinion if you can not perform an Amp check without getting electrocuted Perhaps you should find another profession.

....that is being challenged.

The majority of your procedure is not a part of the NACHI SOP. You get a kick out of doing it...fine...but it is not essential to a home inspection and members not wishing to deviate from the SOP to the extent that you do need not "find another profession".

[Russel Ray]

Originally Posted by cbottger

That word (think) just turns me up side down.
I have read another inspectors report in my area that uses the word think in his report. He thinks this and he thinks that. Im not sure but I think this. Makes me cringe.

I, on the other hand, enjoy thinking, and I enjoy being around people who think.

[Charley L. Bottger]

Originally Posted by jbushart

It is the parts of your responses such as this tidbit...



....that is being challenged.

The majority of your procedure is not a part of the NACHI SOP. You get a kick out of doing it...fine...but it is not essential to a home inspection and members not wishing to deviate from the SOP to the extent that you do need not "find another profession".

Challenge away SOP are minimum standards if you choose to be on the minimum team go for it. I choose to keep my phone ringing. Yes I do get a kick out of making my clients happy with a very professional inspection.
</IMG>