Mold Testing after rain

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by mkiss1

Hi everyone,

According to most mold testing training classes I attended, it is recommended to wait at least 2 hours after rain or snow, before taking an outside air sample. The reason for it is spores tend to be on the ground during rainfall. Here is the deal, here in Chicago area, we are going to have some kind of rain, snow, storms, tornados, blizzards till Match the earliest. Sometimes all in the same time. If I wait for a perfect weather for outside air sampling, it may take me 2 days. Clients are not really happy about it. What do you usually do about it?

Maxim

Take your control sample in the garage. (if one exists)
Since there are no set State or EPA mold spore limits, it is necessary to compare an indoor sample to an outdoor sample. If the inside levels are higher than the outside levels, the house has a mold problem. NOTE: In the winter, when exterior mold is dormant, the baseline sample is taken in a garage or other room that is not suspect for mold.

[Nick Gromicko]

Caoimhin, interested in doing a www.nachi.tv episode? I'll throw a bunch of hardballs (questions) at you and film you hitting (answering) them.

[Charley L. Bottger]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Caoimhin, interested in doing a www.nachi.tv episode? I'll throw a bunch of hardballs (questions) at you and film you hitting (answering) them.

Go for it would be very informative.

[Caoimhín P. Connell]

Maxim:

I’m afraid that Mr. Kyriacou is, as usual, incorrect.

There is no scientifically valid comparisons that can be made in the context that Mr. Kyriacou has presented. The indoor/outdoor comparison thing is used almost exclusively by snake-oil salesmen who don’t understand aerobiology, but like to charge their clients for useless data. Based on the posts on this board, Mr. Kyriacou has a long history of providing unsupported information regarding moulds.

You can read about it on other pages here on the NACHI board and at http://www.forensic-applications.com/moulds/mvue.html

Cheers!
Caoimhín P. Connell
Forensic Industrial Hygienist
www.forensic-applications.com

The opinions expressed here are exclusively my personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect my professional opinion, opinion of my employer, agency, peers, or professional affiliates. The above post is for information only and does not reflect professional advice and is not intended to supercede the professional advice of others.

AMDG

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by Caoimhín P. Connell

Maxim:

I’m afraid that Mr. Kyriacou is, as usual, incorrect.

There is no scientifically valid comparisons that can be made in the context that Mr. Kyriacou has presented. The indoor/outdoor comparison thing is used almost exclusively by snake-oil salesmen who don’t understand aerobiology, but like to charge their clients for useless data. Based on the posts on this board, Mr. Kyriacou has a long history of providing unsupported information regarding moulds.

You can read about it on other pages here on the NACHI board and at http://www.forensic-applications.com/moulds/mvue.html

Cheers!
Caoimhín P. Connell
Forensic Industrial Hygienist
www.forensic-applications.com

The opinions expressed here are exclusively my personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect my professional opinion, opinion of my employer, agency, peers, or professional affiliates. The above post is for information only and does not reflect professional advice and is not intended to supercede the professional advice of others.

AMDG

Mr. Connell


It must be tough making it through life disclaiming everything you say!!
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[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Mr. Connell

Not only do you not approve of Home Inspectors but IMO you are a "rogue" Industrial Hygienist (based on your views)!! Stop making this sampling process something it isn't!!


Mr Connell states:

(Certified mould inspectors are not actually certified in anything, and usually have virtually no legitimate training or knowledge in mycology, aerobiology or microbiology. The “certification” process is not recognized, and certificates are frequently nothing more than what the inspector has printed off their own computer. As a general rule, “certified mold inspectors” represent the lowest quality inspection and assessment services, and usually lack scientific foundation, in favor of the more lucrative “toxic” mould agenda.)
For a discussion of mould and its occurrence in properties complete with many photographs, visit our“Habits” page.

Wrap-up
Sampling, analysis and interpretation of aerobiology requires considerable knowledge in microbiology, sampling theory and statistical applications; it is not cook-book, black-box stuff and should not be performed by home inspectors (or industrial hygienists) who lack the necessary knowledge to understand the limitations.








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[wsiegel]

Mario,

I went on your website. All I see is that you are IAC2 certified. That does not amount to very much.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by wsiegel

Mario,

I went on your website. All I see is that you are IAC2 certified. That does not amount to very much.

Will

And your point is?


I'm assuming that you are an intelligent man,on my website under qualifications I mention ALL the courses I did.

Allow me to save you the trouble;

Certified from; Micro http://www.findamoldexpert.com/index.php?State=ON

Pro-Lab Both Introduction and Advanced certifications

ESA http://www.esaassociation.com/States/canada.asp

and a very advanced course with IAQ Resources Canada
http://www.iaqresourcescanada.com/

IMO I did four courses too many! It does not take an Industrial Hygienist to take samples or converse intelligently about Mold. And for you to say that IAC2 does not amount to much is ludicrous. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[ldapkus]

Don't mess with IAC2 Mario!!!

[gporter]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Mr. Connell, you have no clue as to what you are talking about. 99% of the information a client wants when he hires an inspector to test for mold is not found by testing for mold.

No stone throwing from me either.

He is always talking court, court. He would love it if the home inspector was out of it so he could charge someone $3000.00 for testing

[Caoimhín P. Connell]

Hello Mr. Porter:

If you have been paying attention, you would realize that I make a habit of telling folks that testing is NOT necessary, and IS useless, and they are wasting their money when they hire (usually untrained “certified mould inspectors”) to do the work. So to argue the point you make both irresponsible and fabricated. I wonder if you make a habit of fabricating information.

For clarification, Mr. Gromiko, is the one who has been telling folks that they should spend lots of money on (useless) tests and samples, and send those (useless) samples to less than reputable laboratories.

Mr. Gromiko’s last post with his fabricated statistic is an about-face for him. I suppose that maybe he has been reading my information and is now realizing that I am correct.

I’m sorry that you have such a poor grasp of my positions. Perhaps it would be wiser to understand my positions on the issue before you criticize them – It may be less embarressing for you.

As far as going to court, hardly my choice, Mr. Porter. For example, today my subpoena was to provide testimony on a criminal prosecution as a law enforcement officer. Perhaps in addition to allowing sloppy HIs take people’s money for useless “mould tests” you also feel that criminals should not face prosecution?

In any event, perhaps you don't know what the term "forensic" implies, so your criticisim is rather like complaining that a Judge seems to spend too much time in court; where else would you expect to find a judge?

Cheers,
Caoimhín P. Connell
Forensic Industrial Hygienist
Forensic Applications, Inc.
www.forensic-applications.com

The opinions expressed here are exclusively my personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect my professional opinion, opinion of my employer, agency, peers, or professional affiliates. The above post is for information only and does not reflect professional advice and is not intended to supercede the professional advice of others.

AMDG

[ldapkus]

Gary
Aren't you a lawman???

[ldapkus]

Originally Posted by Caoimhín P. Connell

Hello Mr. Porter:

If you have been paying attention, you would realize that I make a habit of telling folks that testing is NOT necessary, and IS useless, and they are wasting their money when they hire (usually untrained “certified mould inspectors”) to do the work. So to argue the point you make both irresponsible and fabricated. I wonder if you make a habit of fabricating information.

For clarification, Mr. Gromiko, is the one who has been telling folks that they should spend lots of money on (useless) tests and samples, and send those (useless) samples to less than reputable laboratories.

Mr. Gromiko’s last post with his fabricated statistic is an about-face for him. I suppose that maybe he has been reading my information and is now realizing that I am correct.

I’m sorry that you have such a poor grasp of my positions. Perhaps it would be wiser to understand my positions on the issue before you criticize them – It may be less embarressing for you.

As far as going to court, hardly my choice, Mr. Porter. For example, today my subpoena was to provide testimony on a criminal prosecution as a law enforcement officer. Perhaps in addition to allowing sloppy HIs take people’s money for useless “mould tests” you also feel that criminals should not face prosecution?

In any event, perhaps you don't know what the term "forensic" implies, so your criticisim is rather like complaining that a Judge seems to spend too much time in court; where else would you expect to find a judge?

Cheers,
Caoimhín P. Connell
Forensic Industrial Hygienist
Forensic Applications, Inc.
www.forensic-applications.com

The opinions expressed here are exclusively my personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect my professional opinion, opinion of my employer, agency, peers, or professional affiliates. The above post is for information only and does not reflect professional advice and is not intended to supercede the professional advice of others.

AMDG

This clown ain't even IAC2 or ESA certified. Go Figure!!

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by gporter

He is always talking court, court. He would love it if the home inspector was out of it so he could charge someone $3000.00 for testing

Exactly Gary!!

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by ldapkus

Don't mess with IAC2 Mario!!!

Funny Linas!