Sun Nuclear 1027 - Not NRSB Approved

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Hey Guys,

Just wanted to drop a line and let you know that if anyone is looking to get a Sun Nuclear 1027 Con. Use Monitor....the NRSB has stated they are not approved....well their chamber is not approved and because of this they will not recognize any of the Sun Nuclear 1027 results or products until which time they comply...( ie: Pay the fee and send in the paperwork )

Just in case anyone was jumping into the Radon Market and looking for a Con. Use Monitor........

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Paul:

Do you have a link to substantiate your assertion?

Originally Posted by pabernathy

Hey Guys,

Just wanted to drop a line and let you know that if anyone is looking to get a Sun Nuclear 1027 Con. Use Monitor....the NRSB has stated they are not approved....well their chamber is not approved and because of this they will not recognize any of the Sun Nuclear 1027 results or products until which time they comply...( ie: Pay the fee and send in the paperwork )

Just in case anyone was jumping into the Radon Market and looking for a Con. Use Monitor........

I have forwarded your post along to Sun Nuclear Corporation for their comment and view.....

The Sun Nuclear Monitor is an accurate piece of equipment. For Calibrations, our office has used Bowser Morner http://www.bowser-morner.com/calispiking.html and Gemmill Labs http://gemmilllabs.com/

These are PA State approved for Licensing requirements.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Joseph,

Are you saying my conversation with Michelle at NRSB is incorrect...no I dont have anything to back it up.....I am not bashing Sun Nuclear.....I got one of their units.....

I am MORE posting it because I dont like NRSB's stance....I know I spoke with them today........you can TRUST me or NOT TRUST me...I have not given anyone reason to NOT ever trust my posts.......I spend ALOT of time giving FREE education......anyway I digress.

Has nothing to do with Sun Nuclear.......I said NOTHING bad about their equipment....you BETTER make that clear with Sun Nuclears " Laura" before you go saying i am saying anything BAD about them...NOT THE CASE....

I am warning members who may jump into radon testing and think they are going to get into a cont. use monitor......the NRSB "MICHELLE" has stated directly to me......they do not accept the Sun Nuclear 1027 at this time because their calibration and chamber test do not comply.....

Not sure WHERE that is bashing anything...it is a FACT...

They as a manufacturer were grandfathered in I guess for years......BUT the NRSB is starting to crack down on this for some reason.....petty if you ask me......but it is FACT.....

Don't be telling Sun Nuclear I am bashing their unit or them...I plan on speaking with them on wednesday and I better not hear that....I never did such a thing....just giving FIRST hand reports of what the NRSB told me today and in regards to my conversation with Sun Nuclear......they have the paperwork their......just they need to execute it.......

I dont want anyone thinking they can join NRSB right now and submit a 1027 Sun Nuclear Unit and have it approved....because it wont happen...who is my source....CALL NRSB directly and ask them....

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

Sun Nuclear 1027 - Not NRSB Approved

Joseph,

Are you saying my conversation with Michelle at NRSB is incorrect...no I dont have anything to back it up.....I am not bashing Sun Nuclear.....I got one of their units.....

I am MORE posting it because I dont like NRSB's stance....I know I spoke with them today........you can TRUST me or NOT TRUST me...I have not given anyone reason to NOT ever trust my posts.......I spend ALOT of time giving FREE education......anyway I digress.

Has nothing to do with Sun Nuclear.......I said NOTHING bad about their equipment....you BETTER make that clear with Sun Nuclears " Laura" before you go saying i am saying anything BAD about them...NOT THE CASE....

I am warning members who may jump into radon testing and think they are going to get into a cont. use monitor......the NRSB "MICHELLE" has stated directly to me......they do not accept the Sun Nuclear 1027 at this time because their calibration and chamber test do not comply.....

Not sure WHERE that is bashing anything...it is a FACT...

They as a manufacturer were grandfathered in I guess for years......BUT the NRSB is starting to crack down on this for some reason.....petty if you ask me......but it is FACT.....

Don't be telling Sun Nuclear I am bashing their unit or them...I plan on speaking with them on wednesday and I better not hear that....I never did such a thing....just giving FIRST hand reports of what the NRSB told me today and in regards to my conversation with Sun Nuclear......they have the paperwork their......just they need to execute it.......

I dont want anyone thinking they can join NRSB right now and submit a 1027 Sun Nuclear Unit and have it approved....because it wont happen...who is my source....CALL NRSB directly and ask them....

It is clear by your post heading that it was not your intention to single out Sun Nuclear Corporation......

[Paul W. Abernathy]

BTW.....the NRSB did say the unit could be sent to a lab and tested and they would then approve it.......but my post is for newbies getting into it.

You can't use the calibration sheet that comes with the 1027 is all, even if one is provided which they do.

Not sure HOW this went to bashing Sun Nuclear.....you on their payroll?

Anyway......was only trying to save a member from having issues.....if they tried to get into the market and submitted the 1027 and its calibration sheet....the NRSB rejected one I sent in today because of it.

They did say I could get it tested in an approved lab and they would use it...but VERY inconvient for a newbie to have to deal with that on the first go-around is why.....

[Paul W. Abernathy]

look..if I wanted to bash I would have said it is a piece of CRAP.....dont buy it because it does not work.....and so on.....NOT what I posted....

I was only posting first hand knowledge........hell if EVERY post I make is IMPLIED something...sh*t I might has well give up now...lol

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

Joseph,

Are you saying my conversation with Michelle at NRSB is incorrect...no I dont have anything to back it up.....I am not bashing Sun Nuclear.....I got one of their units.....

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http://www.epa.gov/radon/pubs/devprot1.html

"Indoor Radon and Radon Decay Product Measurement Device Protocols"




2.1.11 Quality Assurance

2.1.11.3 Duplicate Measurements. When two or more CR monitors of the same type (e.g., scintillation cell, ionization chamber, or silicon detector types) are available, the precision of the measurements can be estimated by operating the monitors side-by-side. The analysis of duplicate results should follow the methodology described by Goldin (section 5.3 of Goldin 1984), by Taylor (Taylor 1987), or by the EPA (U.S. EPA 1984). Whatever procedures are used must be documented prior to beginning measurements. Consistent failure in duplicate agreement may indicate a problem in the measurement process and should be investigated.

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How do you fulfill quality insurance (standard 2.1.11.3 Duplicate Measurements) if you only have One Monitor?

How do you conduct your side by side duplicate tests?

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Joseph,

The Sun Nuclear is new to me......I have used Charcoal in the past.....we are not doing radon inspection right now, too busy with electrical work and lack of wanting it done in our area......we were adding this unit and wanted to get it sent in...when it was rejected.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

"When two or more CR monitors of the same type (e.g., scintillation cell, ionization chamber, or silicon detector types) are available"

[Paul W. Abernathy]

"2.4.11.3 Duplicate (Collocated) Detectors. Anyone providing measurement services with AC devices should place duplicate detectors in enough houses to test the precision of the measurement. The number of duplicate detectors deployed should be approximately 10 percent of the number of detectors deployed each month or 50, whichever is smaller. The duplicate detectors should be shipped, stored, exposed, and analyzed under the same conditions, and not identified as duplicates to the processing laboratory. The locations selected to receive duplicates should be distributed systematically throughout the entire population of samples. Groups selling measurement services to homeowners can do this by providing two detectors instead of one to a random selection of purchasers, with instructions to place them side-by-side. Consideration should be given to providing some means to ensure that the duplicate detectors are not separated during the measurement period. Data from duplicate detectors should be evaluated using the procedures described by Goldin (Section 5.3 of Goldin 1984), by Taylor (Taylor 1987), or by the EPA (U.S. EPA 1984). Whatever procedures are used must be documented prior to beginning measurements. Consistent failure in duplicate agreement may indicate a problem in the measurement process and should be investigated. "

[Paul W. Abernathy]

This is why I posted it....I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you Joseph......I was only stating FACT...call them yourself....I am sure Sun Nuclear and NRSB will tell you the same information.

We wanted a Sun Nuclear to play with and actually intended to buy a few more......but not until they file the paperwork or the NRSB lightens up a bit....

No biggie....I really though it would SAVE a member from making a purchase and being surprised...I am sure the Sun Nuclear units are great....that is WHY our firm bought one........just surprised it can't be used in it's present state is all.

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

Joseph,

The Sun Nuclear is new to me......I have used Charcoal in the past.....we are not doing radon inspection right now, too busy with electrical work and lack of wanting it done in our area......we were adding this unit and wanted to get it sent in...when it was rejected.

http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/rad/RHP-RADON.asp

Are you currently listed as Certified to be proficient in screening or testing for Radon with the Virginia Indoor Radon Program?

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Joseph,

You know what.....MY personal family issues of WHY me and my brother are not speaking or testing for Radon right now is PRIVATE and PERSONAL......actually NONE of your business actually.

AS for VA.........you don't have to be Certified with VA.......they only care you are in either of the TWO main associations and thats it.....nothing more.....nothing less.

My post was to MAKE SURE a new member does not buy a unit ( namely the Sun Nuclear 1027 ) and try to submit it for approval into the NRSB...they wont accept it UNLESS they get it and have it calibrated with someone else other than the forms that Sun Nuclear sends.........FROM the MOUTH of NRSB directly....feel free to call them on it......

I will find it QUITE funny if they change their tune..........

Anyway......I intend to send BACK my latest Sun Nuclear Unit...not because it is a bad unit...I like the new models look...but tooooo much hassle if you ask me.....and only wanted to save other members from experiencing the same problems.

BTW....this IS a forum to help others.......IF ANYONE does not agree simply call NRSB and ASK them directly....tell them you would like to use THIS monitor and submit it for acceptance using the calibration form submitted with the 1027 model....and you will see...not possible at this time.

Again no bashing to Sun Nuclear....great company.....good people.......just the FACTS....

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

I'm in KC. One of the new HI guys here called me today and said the same thing Paul did. He just bought a Sun Nuclear and NRSB told him that unless he sent it somewhere like Bowser-Morner (not sure of spelling) in Ohio to get it calibrated they wouldn't accept it for his NRSB Certification, etc ................

[Paul W. Abernathy]

THANK YOU DAN..........I got tired of being called a LIAR without actually posting it in so many terms....

I orginally posted it to SAVE a guy like your new HI...from the hassle....you dont spend $ 600.00 on a unit to then have to send it away AGAIN for 100-200 dollars.....this does not happen with AC or EL units and so on....when you BUY a unit that is LISTED on the NRSB list...you expect it to come calibrated and with an approved certificate the NRSB will accept...

I was ONLY posting this to save other guys potential issues....BUT NO..I get questions like...Are you Certified Paul?.......and made the feel like I was calling Sun Nuclear a bad product.....never said a thing...

Man I will NEVER learn my lesson....stay in the Electrical Forum where my comfort level is.....