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Old 8/27/11, 3:51 PM
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Question ABS to Cast Iron: Any plumbers online?

Shouldn't this be a mechanical connection?

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Old 8/27/11, 4:15 PM
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It appears they might have used one of these meant for that application.

http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52...er-240648.aspx
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Old 8/27/11, 4:19 PM
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It appears they might have used one of these meant for that application.

http://plumbing.hardwarestore.com/52...er-240648.aspx
That would be my guess also, as there are no signs of leakage in the pic.
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Old 8/27/11, 4:25 PM
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2009 IRC P3003.18 Joints between different materials.
Joints between
different piping materials shall be made with a mechanical
joint of the compression or mechanical-sealing type conforming
to ASTM C 1173, ASTM C 1460 or ASTM C 1461. Connectors
and adapters shall be approved for the application and
such joints shall have an elastomeric seal conforming toASTM
C 425, ASTM C 443, ASTM C 564, ASTM C 1440, ASTM D
1869, ASTM F 477, CSA A257.3M or CSA B602, or as
required in Sections P3003.18.1 through P3003.18.6. Joints
between glass pipe and other types of materials shall be made
with adapters having a TFE seal. Joints shall be installed in
accordance with the manufacturer’s installation instructions.



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Old 8/27/11, 4:35 PM
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2009 IRC P3003.18 Joints between different materials.
Joints between
different piping materials shall be made with a mechanical
joint of the compression or mechanical-sealing type conforming
to ASTM C 1173, ASTM C 1460 or ASTM C 1461. Connectors
and adapters shall be approved for the application and
such joints shall have an elastomeric seal conforming toASTM
C 425, ASTM C 443, ASTM C 564, ASTM C 1440, ASTM D
1869, ASTM F 477, CSA A257.3M or CSA B602, or as
required in Sections P3003.18.1 through P3003.18.6. Joints
between glass pipe and other types of materials shall be made
with adapters having a TFE seal. Joints shall be installed in
accordance with the manufacturer’s installation instructions.
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Old 8/27/11, 4:41 PM
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2009 IRC P3003.18 Joints between different materials.
Joints between
different piping materials shall be made with a mechanical
joint of the compression or mechanical-sealing type conforming
to ASTM C 1173, ASTM C 1460 or ASTM C 1461. Connectors
and adapters shall be approved for the application and
such joints shall have an elastomeric seal conforming toASTM
C 425, ASTM C 443, ASTM C 564, ASTM C 1440, ASTM D
1869, ASTM F 477, CSA A257.3M or CSA B602, or as
required in Sections P3003.18.1 through P3003.18.6. Joints
between glass pipe and other types of materials shall be made
with adapters having a TFE seal. Joints shall be installed in
accordance with the manufacturer’s installation instructions.
Jeffery, to me that means a "rubber" type connector with clamps.



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I was thinking two of these would work well:

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Jeffery, to me that means a "rubber" type connector with clamps.
In my opinion, you would be partially wrong...

A rubber connector is not the same thing as an elastomeric seal. An elastomeric seal is a pliable/rubberized sealant when cured, (as opposed to oakum), or a manufactured pliable seal (such as an o-ring). Most likely this was installed with a pourable sealant, but you were there. What did you observe?

You also need to break the paragraph down...
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2009 IRC P3003.18 Joints between different materials.
Joints between different piping materials shall be made with a mechanical
joint of the compression or mechanical-sealing type conforming
to ASTM C 1173, ASTM C 1460 or ASTM C 1461. Connectors
and adapters shall be approved for the application and
such joints shall have an elastomeric seal conforming toASTM
C 425, ASTM C 443, ASTM C 564, ASTM C 1440, ASTM D
1869, ASTM F 477, CSA A257.3M or CSA B602, or as
required in Sections P3003.18.1 through P3003.18.6. Joints
between glass pipe and other types of materials shall be made
with adapters having a TFE seal. Joints shall be installed in
accordance with the manufacturer’s installation instructions.
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Old 8/27/11, 5:00 PM
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...you were there. What did you observe?
Thanks for the explanation. Here's what I saw.


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Joe:

Why do you get all the fun inspections. I can't even crawl under many of the inspections in my area. No fare !!!!



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Joe:

Why do you get all the fun inspections. I can't even crawl under many of the inspections in my area. No fare !!!!
Crawling in a wet, 24" high crawl space in 90 degree (F) heat and 90% humidity with mosquitoes buzzing around your ears ain't fun!



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Thanks for the explanation. Here's what I saw.


Attachment 47738
Hmmm...
Impossible to tell in the pic, but if I had to guess, I would say oakum, or (gasp) caulk, was used. Did you attempt to 'feel' the seal/sealent? If so was it 'rubbery'? I guess technically, (if it meets the listed standards) silicone would be an elastomeric sealant.
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Hmmm...
Impossible to tell in the pic, but if I had to guess, I would say oakum, or (gasp) caulk, was used. Did you attempt to 'feel' the seal/sealent? If so was it 'rubbery'? I guess technically, (if it meets the listed standards) silicone would be an elastomeric sealant.
Didn't touch it. I guess I'll not say anything about it this time. I believe this is the 1st time in 6 years I've seen this. Maybe when I see another one I'll be better informed.



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Didn't touch it. I guess I'll not say anything about it this time. I believe this is the 1st time in 6 years I've seen this. Maybe when I see another one I'll be better informed.

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i'd at least mention uncertain/undetermined dissimilar material connection

that way when it leaks or fails the day after closing...



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