asking help regarding backflow preventer

[afrost]

i'm having a septic sys installed at my own (under construction) house. is it advisable to have a backflow preventer installed on the sanitary. the line goes into a pump chamber that failed once during construction (breaker not on!) and caused some water (only water, phew!) to back up into the house through some uncapped drains.

the pump failed again, this time on its own and altho the lines are all capped in the house, i am wondering if i should put a check valve in the line.

thanks for your thoughts.

andy frost

[Michael Larson]

Are you talking about something like this?
This was posted on the board recently.

[afrost]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Are you talking about something like this?
This was posted on the board recently.

similar. in fact i have that system at my interior sewage ejector pump. it's a 2" (or 1 1/2") line & has the check valve (backflow preventor).

is there any reason i shouldn't put it on my main 4" sanitary line -- either before or after it leaves the house?

[Michael Larson]

To be honest I have only seen them on city sewer connections.

Who ever is doing your septic install should be able to advise you.

Just a thought, even if your sediment tank filled to the top could it flow back up into the house?

[Brian A. MacNeish]

A backwater valve (BWV) is usually not installed on the building drain to the septic tank since this is a gravity drain system and not subject to surcharge from the municipal sewers as is the case in towns, etc. In 23 years of inspecting, I have never seen a BWV on a septic system

[sturetsky]

I have seen backflow preventors on waste lines, usually near the house trap and near floor drains. If you use one, I advise you leave it accessable. I put one on my floor drain in my laundry room as a suds preventor. I hid the access to it below a floor tile.

[jbreazeale]

Installing one on your main sewer drain could just be an invitation for creating a clog at that point---uneven surfaces within the line acting as a catch point for ...ummm.....toilet paper.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

"Installing one on your main sewer drain could just be an invitation for creating a clog at that point---uneven surfaces within the line acting as a catch point for ...ummm.....toilet paper."

Up here in Canada, there's been a love/hate relationship with the BWV. The 1995 National Plumbing Code in Section 4.6.4 - PROTECTION FROM BACKFLOW states: (1) "A backwater valve or gate valve shall not be installed in a building drain or a building sewer." (See appendix A)

Apendix A 4.6.4(1) says: The installation of a backwater valve or a gate valve in a building drain or a building sewer may have proven acceptable on the basis of past performance in some localities and their acceptance under Article 1.4.3 of this code may be warranted.

The first revision of the code in 1996-7 states in 4.6.4(2) "A backwater valve may be installed in a building drain provided that it is a "normally open" design conforming to....... and does not serve more than 1 dwelling unit"

The plumbing field is one that I have not worked in (except for my own work; have Municipal Plumbing Inspectors Course for HI interests) so lack a little experience in the trenches. But the only time I saw a blockage causesd by a BWV was in a 2 month old house built by a contractor and plumbed by who else.....his brother, the plumber! He did not have enough grade on the building drain and a tampon first caught and then other stuff.....the house was rented to college students.

I have a line in my report (my own report format) regarding BWV's. If I cannot find one in the basement, I refer the client to my appendix in which I tell the client to call the local authority to see if surcharge from the street sewers has been a problem in that part of town. If they can't get an answer, canvas the neighbours and if anyone has had an incident with surcharge from the street, install a BWV.

I have seen too much of this. A friend of mine had an incident about 8-9 years ago resulting from a heavy summer t'storm........ came home to 5' of crap in his basement from a combined municipal drainage system. He had a small basement but it was loaded with art, 52" TV, $$$ stereo, family heirlooms......in all, it was a $60,000 cleanup!