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I got a call from Lowes home improvement store tonight. The owner of a house I inspected was there and the Lowes employee called me at the owner's instruction to try to convince me that an air gap isn't required for a dishwasher if the drain line is looped up high. (I wrote up the lack of one in his house.)
Can an air gap be omitted? If not required, how does that square with: IRC SECTION P2717 / DISHWASHING MACHINES P2717.1 Protection of water supply. The water supply for dishwashers shall be protected by an air gap or integral backflow preventer. Does everyone cite the lack of a dishwasher air gap? Do you cite it as a significant issue or an "informational" item? “The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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Here is my understanding....the code says, as you state - The water supply for dishwashers shall be protected by an air gap or integral backflow preventer. New dishwashers have an integral backflow preventer for the supply side built into the dishwasher from what I'm told and have read here on the board. The airgap or backflow preventer that we normally see and are more familiar with is on the discharge side not the supply side. I do not write up lack of an air gap on the discharge side if the drain line has been 'high looped' to the tailpiece or the disposer. I believe the home's and city's water supply is protected by that built in device that we don't see. Now if someone can convince me I'm wrong about the built in device then I'll have to re-think my policy.
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Also, see this: http://www.home-inspect.com/itatips/04-03.asp
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I still see high loops on older homes and leave it at that.
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Please Note:
Dennis Hodkinson is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
When we sold our home a year ago, we had just installed a new dishwasher
that had an "integral backflow preventer" for the supply side built into the dishwasher. So, I did not install the visible high loop. During the process of selling, we painted a couple of rooms and my wife cleaned the paint pan/brush in the kitchen sink. Even with the "integral backflow preventer" paint got back into the dishwasher. I did install the high loop before we moved. The good news is that now I have a good first hand story to explain to buyers and sellers for the need to have a high loop/air gap installed. |
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Please Note:
Dennis Hodkinson is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
I actually wrote that wrong, I should have said that it had a built in
"high loop" that was installed so that the drain line came out and up over the top of the unit. It still didn't stop the paint from getting in. |
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In any area that I have worked an air gap is not required if the drain line has a high loop that runs above the flood rim of the sink.
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When I see a high loop rather than a air-gap device, I simply point it out. I state that this method can be effective but may not be as good as the device and is usually accepted. If they wish to pursue it further with city code or a plumber that is their call. As far as the built in devices, I make no comment, that is something that is not visible, so I cannot say whether it is there or not.
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IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS NOT USING THERMAL IMAGING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE ® Jeff PopeJPI Home Inspection Service Santa Clarita CA (661) 212-0738 Santa Clarita Home Inspection http://www.MyInspector.net |
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Please Note:
twasion is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
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IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS NOT USING THERMAL IMAGING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE ® Jeff PopeJPI Home Inspection Service Santa Clarita CA (661) 212-0738 Santa Clarita Home Inspection http://www.MyInspector.net |
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“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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This is a stupid question, but what is the "flood level" of a sink? The rim?
“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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California Plumbing Code=CPC
And yes Joe Last edited by bkelly2; 6/12/09 at 7:47 PM.. |
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Thanks Brian.
The CPC and UPC are almost identical, with a "few" exceptions (additions/subtractions/modifications). IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS NOT USING THERMAL IMAGING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE ® Jeff PopeJPI Home Inspection Service Santa Clarita CA (661) 212-0738 Santa Clarita Home Inspection http://www.MyInspector.net |
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