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Old 8/14/06, 2:12 PM
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Not his first spelling mistake today.
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Not his first spelling mistake today.
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Ouch..okay. That's it. I'm sticking to smaller words from now on.
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Ouch..okay. That's it. I'm sticking to smaller words from now on.
Please do not feel bad James I am a bit of a maladroit my self at times .
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Please do not feel bad James I am a bit of a maladroit my self at times .
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THAT is funny!
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Old 8/14/06, 3:39 PM
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I think I had those, once. The ointment wouldn't shrink them, so I had to have them surgically removed.
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Old 8/15/06, 4:34 AM
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The thermostat on my water heater is set at the manufacturer's recommended setting, which, according to the manufacturer, is "approximately" 125F.

The user's guide states that the setting just below the recommended setting is "approximately" 115F.

So if we presume that the thermostat is set at the manufacturer's recommended setting of "approximately" 125F, and that the thermostat will cause the burners to come on if the water temperature falls somewhere between 125F and the next lowest setting, i.e., 115F, then, indeed, we would be heating hot water.

Well, at least I consider 115F water to be hot, so maybe it's just my water heater that also serves as a hot water heater.

If the temperature of the water requires me to consult with Ms Margarita and Dr Cuervo to be comfortable sitting in that water, then I consider it hot. The maximum temperature on my "hot" tub is 104F, so at least in the hot tub industry, 104F is considered hot, which is well below the "hot" 115F of the setting just below the manufacturer's recommended setting of 125F on my hot water heater.

So, I believe either is correct: "hot water heater" or water heater. People who get upset at "hot water heater" might need to find a better hobby. Ms Margarita and Dr Cuervo might be able to help.



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Old 8/15/06, 7:59 PM
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Wendy (or anyone else out there that owns a tankless water heater powered by propane or natural gas) - is there sufficient make-up air to satisfy manufacturers specifications?
One thing I learned at the People's Energy training in the spring is the percentage of these units installed without sufficient make-up air - and some of these untits need more make-up air than a furnace!
And we don't want any carbon monoxide issues caused by incomplete combustion, do we?

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Old 8/15/06, 8:12 PM
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Wendy (or anyone else out there that owns a tankless water heater powered by propane or natural gas) - is there sufficient make-up air to satisfy manufacturers specifications?
If they are installed properly.

A tankless water heater that operates at 360,000 BTU certainly needs more make-up air than a tank water heater operating at 40,000 BTU.

Most of them here are installed in the garage or outside.



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While we are on the subject of verbage, what in the hell is a "bird's-mouth cut", anyway? Birds do not have mouths...they have beaks. Mouths imply the presence of lips, which birds lack. This has always bothered me. We need to get this out of glossary.
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The same reason there is a "cheek cut' and a "plumb cut". They are just terms so that when an apprentice asks a question we can give him an answer.
There is also a "fire cut", a "rabbit", a "mortice", a "tennon" and all sorts of other cuts that a carpenter has to learn.
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Old 8/16/06, 12:28 AM
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All water contains heat. It is not absolute zero

Hot is a relative and subjective term. Convention dictates it is relative to the temperature of the water that does not go though the heater (ie. no aditional heat is applied). It is subjective in that different people will sense and respond to the temperature differently.

Therefore, technically, any water could be called hot water.

However, convention dictates that 'hot water heater' is a widely accepted term. Virtually every one know what the term is referring to.

I will continue to use the term 'hot water heater' or 'water heater' interchangeably.



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Old 8/16/06, 12:33 AM
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All water contains heat. It is not absolute zero
What if the water is at absolute zero? Would it still contain heat?

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However, convention dictates that 'hot water heater' is a widely accepted term. Virtually every one know what the term is referring to.
Kind of like "main panel" and "service equipment." Well, maybe not. The general populace has no idea what "service equipment" is.

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I will continue to use the term 'hot water heater' or 'water heater' interchangeably.
I do also, but I try to use water heater since it saves one syllable and a slight amount of oxygen by not saying that one syllable. Therefore, the hot air that I save by not saying that one syllable does not contribute to global warming. Ta-da! Darn mangoritas at Islands (Jim opened two escrows today so we went out to celebrate).



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Old 8/16/06, 12:43 AM
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Default Re: Got this email... No such thing as hot water heaters.

You gotta love the English language.
How hot is hot?
How about water from Hot springs? Does it need to be heated?
I guess that depends on what you consider to be hot.
And of course what's not.



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Old 8/16/06, 8:32 AM
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How hot is hot?
That's the problem.


Not quantitative
Most people intuitively use the term hot as quantitative term. As if 'hot' meant anything at x degrees.

Relative
x changes with the situation being talked about so it can't really be defined at an actual temperature but only in reference to the temperature of something else as a reference. And that 'something else' is usually also implied.

Example
101 deg is hot for a person (fever) but not hot for a candle flame
212 deg is hot for water but not hot for volcano lava


We even go further by put a relative term "very" on the relative term "hot". (ie It is very hot in the attic)... So what is the temp of the attic? We don't know. I would highly suspect that the phrase would mean some quite different to Gerry or Greg down in Florida then it would to Vern up in Alberta


It may seem a bit stupid to be discussing this but for people who produce written reports in what is considered a highly litigious industry, we need to understand and use our written language in the most accurate and unambiguous way possible.



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Old 8/16/06, 8:33 AM
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Who needs a water heater, anyway? If you need to be in hot water, just come to the good ol' NACHI message board...You'll find more than you need.
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Old 8/16/06, 8:40 AM
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Well......the term water heater would imply that we are heating all types of water, cold, cool, luke warm, tepid, and even hot. The term hot water heater could imply that we are only heating hot water. Perhaps the water heater would be defective and should be written up as such if it will only heat hot water....
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