PB Connection Question, Need Help

[Sean Fogarty]

What kind of connection is this, and does anyone have documentation. I was told it was the repair connections to help eliminate the issue, but just wanted to verify.

[iniquette]

Anything stamped on the fitting Sean?

[Brian E. Kelly]

Unless the connection replaces the ENTIRE PB SYSTEM, the issue (PB Pipe) remains....


http://www.polybutylene.com/poly.html

[Sean Fogarty]

[QUOTE][Anything stamped on the fitting Sean? /QUOTE]
No, i did not take the time to look at them for markings. I have seen very little pb, and this is a first for the fittings of this style. The other has always been cut and dry, but i am not sure about these

[Brian E. Kelly]

[QUOTE=sfogarty;656040]

[Anything stamped on the fitting Sean? /QUOTE]
No, i did not take the time to look at them for markings. I have seen very little pb, and this is a first for the fittings of this style. The other has always been cut and dry, but i am not sure about these

There is nothing to be sure about.....Call it out as PB Plumbing and a defect..

[Sean Fogarty]

I did, I still want to see if anyone has the info.

[Mark A. Timpani, CMI]

I am with Brian, call it out...

[wnapier]

Sean, to answer your original question - Those look like garden variety "compression fittings" to me, there is probably a ferrule inside those nuts...

Al in TN

[Jeffery L. Haynes]

Because of pressure put upon the board by the Realtors Board our wording has changed, the North Carolina Home Inspection Board recommended the following language:

Polybutylene plumbing supply lines (PB) are installed in this house. PB was used as water distribution piping in many homes built from the mid 1980’s until the mid 1990’s. The piping and associated fittings have had a failure rate and subsequent leakage sufficient to have been the subject of several nationwide class action lawsuits. Copper and brass fittings used in later years seem to have reduced the failure rate, but the piping may still fail due to problems with poor installation, improper handling, or chemical reaction with the water supply. The piping in this house has (circle which apply) Brass/Copper – Plastic - fittings. The class action suits have expired and there is no longer any monetary relief for homeowners that experience a polybutylene piping failure. For more information visit: http://www.pbpipe.com . You may wish to have the plumbing system evaluated by a licensed plumbing contractor.

[Brad Brinke]

[QUOTE=bkelly2;656049]

Originally Posted by sfogarty

There is nothing to be sure about.....Call it out as PB Plumbing and a defect..

Brian, I am confused when you say it is a "defect". I see poly in my area on a weekly basis, I explain it to my clients and then move on. A non leaking plumbing system is not a "defect"

[Bruce A. King]

Originally Posted by jhaynes

Because of pressure put upon the board by the Realtors Board our wording has changed, the North Carolina Home Inspection Board recommended the following language:

Polybutylene plumbing supply lines (PB) are installed in this house. PB was used as water distribution piping in many homes built from the mid 1980’s until the mid 1990’s. The piping and associated fittings have had a failure rate and subsequent leakage sufficient to have been the subject of several nationwide class action lawsuits. Copper and brass fittings used in later years seem to have reduced the failure rate, but the piping may still fail due to problems with poor installation, improper handling, or chemical reaction with the water supply. The piping in this house has (circle which apply) Brass/Copper – Plastic - fittings. The class action suits have expired and there is no longer any monetary relief for homeowners that experience a polybutylene piping failure. For more information visit: http://www.pbpipe.com . You may wish to have the plumbing system evaluated by a licensed plumbing contractor.

Sounds better than the last version....
Did the realtors really want it to be stronger?

I think the last version was for the realtors and this one was updated since the old contained bad information and had missing facts.

[Bruce A. King]

[QUOTE=bbrinke;656805]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Brian, I am confused when you say it is a "defect". I see poly in my area on a weekly basis, I explain it to my clients and then move on. A non leaking plumbing system is not a "defect"

A non-leaking PB plumbing system is a defect due to the affect it has on the property value and the lack of sound, reliable utility that a normal buyer would expect from their plumbing system.


Defect:
1 a : an imperfection that impairs worth or utility

[Sean Fogarty]

Brian, I am confused when you say it is a "defect". I see poly in my area on a weekly basis, I explain it to my clients and then move on. A non leaking plumbing system is not a "defect"

Thats like saying the 60 year old galvanized water pipe is not leaking so its fine..???
People need to be informed. WIth that situation, I just sent the buyer some web links. They can make the informed decision.

[Brad Brinke]

I believe if you read what I wrote...."I explain it to my clients" just as I would a 60 year old galvanized water pipe. Poly is prevalent in my area, I see it daily. I do not freak out about it and call it as a defect. Show me a water supply system that does not leak.

[Brian E. Kelly]

[QUOTE=bbrinke;656805]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Brian, I am confused when you say it is a "defect". I see poly in my area on a weekly basis, I explain it to my clients and then move on. A non leaking plumbing system is not a "defect"

Wrong.