Plumbing statement review

[rbibler]

Happy 4th to all...

Im working on a new statement for my reports for older buildings. Please look over this and pick it apart. Thanks

(Plumbing pipes and/or connections of the buildings plumbing system indicated areas with poor layout and/or design of the plumbing systems. Indication of multiple repairs/alteration over the years. You should employ a licensed plumbing contractor to inspect the layout and design, distribution, efficiency of all plumbing within the building. Correct the layout of supply/check all venting pipes/check all drain pipes. Due to the age of the building with indication of alteration/additional plumbing over the years you should have the
core of the galvanized pipes check for corrosion).

Best

Ron

[Bob Elliott]

Too wordy.
Is this too assist or just a legal statement ?

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

If you see a problem, cite it specifically. If you see lots off issues, cite all you see and then do a general referral.

If there is something wrong with the "layout" say what it is.

If I see galvanized, I have a specific comment for that. There is no need to check the interior of the pipes. Just state the problem with them, state they are probably old, and that you don't endorse them.

[rbibler]

Thanks Big help.

The sub-area plumbing look like spaghetti.... just going in every direction.

Best

Ron

[Christopher Currins]

I've used this a few times with older plumbing.

"Health or safety hazard exists because of an existing plumbing installation or lack thereof. Installation of additional plumbing or making such corrections may be necessary to abate the hazard or safety hazard the existing plumbing may create."

[Chuck Lambert]

Substandard plumbing at XXX and be done with it.

Chuck

[Nick Gromicko]

Why not spend 10 cents a narrative and order www.nachi.org/narratives.htm ?

[rbibler]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Why not spend 10 cents a narrative and order www.nachi.org/narratives.htm ?

Because you gave it to me for Christmas Don't you remember...L.O.L.

Best

Ron

[Tim Spargo]

I use specific comments for Copper pipes, pre '85 copper pipes, copper pipes below the slab, copper re-pipes -most are crap with unsupported uninsulated pipes, galvanized, old galvanized etc, and the newly introduced FVIR water heaters and/with their clever way of clogging up with lint

Don't forget, those cruddy one piece corrugated angle stop valves

[Darin Redding]

Hey Nick,

You got a few hundred examples of www.nachi.org/narratives.htm that we can review?

Anyone using these, and if so, what say you? Seems a beauty if they are 1. written well, 2. searchable, and 3. the web links are current/active in the narratives.

Would be uber cool if they came pre-loaded in HIP with the narratives in the appropriate sections

[Bob Elliott]

I feel general language is too much of a cop out.
Describe what you see wrong specifically.

Go from there.

[Darin Redding]

I feel general language is too much of a cop out.
Describe what you see wrong specifically.

Go from there.

...and 4 hours later you've got a beautiful, well written report. Granted. So add to that a 3 hour tour through the house, 1-2 hours drive time...for the average sale price of $300-400 per inspection. Not for me. I want the narratives to get me 70% there, and then add the specifics. For $37/hr. on the low side, factor in insurance, automotive expenses, cell phone, equipment, TAXES and there ain't much left. You gotta really LOVE getting all stinky, dusty etc. - not withstanding all the dangers that go into this profession (including getting capped in the arse...I know you read that post ).

[Tim Spargo]

I know what ya mean Bob...

But, if I explain to a customer via a "general statement" that their 25 year old copper pipes that reside under a slab:

Can't be seen
Have a finite service life
Have a propensity to do "things"

The fact that we have to deliver these things in general statements has pros/cons, in a lot of regards I agree that reports should probably be smaller.

Problem is, when you get a phone call 20 months after your inspection and your client says "The plumber just left here and my hot water line is leaking under the slab"

If the plumbing comment was something like

Plumbing Supply Type : Copper
Shut Off Location: Front of Home
Condition: Serviceable (I just threw in the serviceable part)
Did we really explain what someone was buying? I'm not talking about this from a point of responsibility or liability. Just simply... did I do a good job explaining aspects of the home, both in person and in the report?

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by tspargo

If the plumbing comment was something like

Plumbing Supply Type : Copper
Shut Off Location: Front of Home
Condition: Serviceable (I just threw in the serviceable part)
Did we really explain what someone was buying? I'm not talking about this from a point of responsibility or liability. Just simply... did I do a good job explaining aspects of the home, both in person and in the report?

that is too much info for 90% of people as it is now..... They barely read the Summary or look at the Pictures as it is....

[Darin Redding]

Maybe an audio or video report would be the way to go.