InterNACHI


Go Back   InterNACHI Message Board > Specific Inspection Topics > Plumbing

Notices

Plumbing Contains discussions about plumbing.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 8/16/09, 4:55 PM
Joshua L. Frederick Joshua L. Frederick is online now
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Defiance, OH
Posts: 270
Send a message via AIM to jfrederick
Default Sewage pump with AAV

New addition. Basin/sewage was vented with cheaper AAV. I know it's not right, but how & why, and how would you put in your report.

Thanks in advance!
Attached Thumbnails
sewage-pump-air-admittance-valve-501-s.-defiance-st.-stryker-084.jpg  
Reply With Quote
Find an InterNACHI certified Illinois Home Inspector (and anywhere else in North America)
  #2  
Old 8/16/09, 6:38 PM
Gerald C. Wilcox's Avatar
Gerald C. Wilcox Gerald C. Wilcox is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Harvey, ND
Posts: 244
Default Re: Sewage pump with AAV

I would first be concerned that the work had been installed by a licensed plumber and the appropriate permits were pulled. If not have the system evaluated by a plumber and recommend repairs as needed. The AAV would have to be monitored in any case to make sure the valve closes properly.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 8/16/09, 6:53 PM
Wayne B. Wilson's Avatar
Wayne B. Wilson Wayne B. Wilson is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Powell, Tn
Posts: 2,442
Default Re: Sewage pump with AAV

I would check the size, I would think it should be bigger to handle the volume of the pump is putting out .
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 8/16/09, 7:48 PM
Marcel Gratton's Avatar
Marcel Gratton Marcel Gratton is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Gatineau, QC
Posts: 788
Default Re: Sewage pump with AAV

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfrederick View Post
New addition. Basin/sewage was vented with cheaper AAV. I know it's not right, but how & why, and how would you put in your report.
Certain AAV are allowed in some province (s) in Canada in some circumstances.

That check valve should be installed on the horizontal though...
Attached Thumbnails
sewage-pump-air-admittance-valve-1656.jpg  



Marcel Gratton, CMI
On The Level Inspection
Gatineau, QC
http://onthelevelinspection.com/

Last edited by mgratton; 8/16/09 at 7:51 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 8/16/09, 8:20 PM
James H. Bushart's Avatar
James H. Bushart James H. Bushart is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Cassville, MO
Posts: 13,638
Default Re: Sewage pump with AAV

Check your local codes. The UPC does not allow the air admittance valve. It is a mechanical device that has no way of alerting the user when it has failed...and its failure allows the entrance of potentially deadly airborne viruses/bacteria into the home, along with potentially harmful gases.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 8/17/09, 1:26 AM
Nick Gromicko's Avatar
Nick Gromicko Nick Gromicko is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 19,588
Default Re: Sewage pump with AAV

Marcel writes:
Quote:
That check valve should be installed on the horizontal though...
The valve in the PIC in post #1 is a cast iron "swing" valve which can be installed either vertical or horizontal.



Nick Gromicko, CMI
Founder
World's biggest, best inspection association
"Planet InterNACHI... resistance is futile"
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 8/17/09, 9:19 AM
Joshua L. Frederick Joshua L. Frederick is online now
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Defiance, OH
Posts: 270
Send a message via AIM to jfrederick
Default Re: Sewage pump with AAV

Here's what I came up with..........

Plumbing: Sewage pump
LOCATION(S): West crawlspace.
The sewage pump vent appears to have been installed with sub-standard (less-than-professional) practices. The sewage basin is vented with what appears to be an undersized AAV (Air Admittance Valve).
While the AAV may work on individual fixtures vents, the vent from the ejector pit must properly breathe out as well as in for the system to work in the way it was intended. This configuration may not allow this to happen.
An air admittance valve's ability to breathe is measured in Drainage Fixture Units or DFUs. The higher the DFU rating on the valve, the greater amount of air that can enter the DWV system. DFU loads are assigned to plumbing fixtures dependent on the volume rate of discharge, the duration of operation and the time between operations.
To ensure proper breathing capability, determine all fixtures to be vented and calculate the total DFU load, then select the appropriate AAV for the application.
More information:

http://www.reevesjournal.com/Articles/Feature_Article/de5e25f351248010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0
http://www.toolbase.org/Technology-Inventory/Plumbing/air-admittance-valves
Recommendation: It is unknown if AAV is even permitted in this application, and sewage basin may have to be properly vented to the exterior. Recommend consulting with a qualified plumber and/or authority having jurisdiction in this area about the installation and repair/replacement as necessary, before close of escrow. NOTE: The bathroom toilet and utility/bar sink seemed to have low functional drainage, as noted in the BATHROOM section of report.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 8/20/09, 10:10 PM
Marcel Gratton's Avatar
Marcel Gratton Marcel Gratton is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Gatineau, QC
Posts: 788
Default Re: Sewage pump with AAV

Quote:
Originally Posted by gromicko View Post
Marcel writes: The valve in the PIC in post #1 is a cast iron "swing" valve which can be installed either vertical or horizontal.
And there I thought that all check valves *swing*...



Marcel Gratton, CMI
On The Level Inspection
Gatineau, QC
http://onthelevelinspection.com/
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
CPSC Recall- A.O Smith Water Pump Motors pabernathy Electrical 0 6/24/08 8:13 PM
980 Questions/Answers to the NHIE....Free! jbushart Legislation, Licensing & Legal Issues 50 4/20/08 2:26 AM
recirculating pump Scott Schultz Plumbing 5 3/21/08 11:19 PM
Gasoline at $4 Coming to a Pump Near You jburkeson1 Misc. Discussion 1 4/24/07 7:00 AM
Sewage sump pump in basement floor psiposs Plumbing 4 4/15/07 5:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:10 AM.


Copyright © International Association of Certified Home Inspectors, Inc. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147

Popular Sections

:

All Sections

Popular

Membership

Inspection Standards

Education

Chapters & Members

Articles & Links

Other Organizations

 

 

 

NACHI.ORG Statistics

 

 

no new posts