InterNACHI


Go Back   InterNACHI Message Board > Specific Inspection Topics > Structural

Notices

Structural Contains discussions about the structural portion of a home inspection. This includes foundations, framing, et cetera.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 8/13/09, 11:26 PM
Patrick Coulter Patrick Coulter is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Clarksville, MD
Posts: 180
Default Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

This is a four-year old home used as a model and never lived in. Being sold by the builder as "new". Note the bracing in the photo that is nailed to the rafter and then to the truss cord. Is this acceptable? If not, how would you write this up? Thanks!
Attached Thumbnails
acceptable-truss-sytems-img_1933.jpg   acceptable-truss-sytems-img_1934.jpg  



Patrick Coulter
Cross County Inspection Services, LLC
(443) 266-7544
Reply With Quote
Find an InterNACHI certified Florida Home Inspector (and anywhere else in North America)
  #2  
Old 8/14/09, 12:07 AM
Jeffrey Moore Jeffrey Moore is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 110
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

I would write: Modification to manufactured truss system. Recommend builder explain and provide documentation of PE sign off of this additional bracing. or something like that

If roofing material changed from plans to build time the original truss system may not have been adequate and the builder said - what the heck just throw a few nails on some spare lumber and call it a day



Jeff Moore
www.quantumhomeinspections.com
Flir (ITC) Level 1 Thermographer
Mesa, AZ
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 8/14/09, 12:46 AM
Mark Nahrgang's Avatar
Mark Nahrgang Mark Nahrgang is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Saint Peters, MO
Posts: 3,946
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

More than likely it was thrown on there to have a place to nail that rat run. I've been on a couple of sites where the trusses were getting a little out of control going up without a little temporary bracing to hold them in place until the sheeting went on. From what I can see from the picture it doesn't look structural.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 8/14/09, 1:44 AM
Jeffery L. Haynes Jeffery L. Haynes is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Concord, NC
Posts: 1,395
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

I agree with Mark........ I dont see how adding those 2x4 are doing to half any affect on the truss..................if you want to get picky then ask for the truss plans in order to determine if the wind bracing was installed as per spec........rarely do you ever see that called out..........simply because most inspectors don't know about it.

Unless the truss chords / webs have been cut I think calling something like that out in the end will prove to be moot.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 8/14/09, 8:31 AM
Patrick Coulter Patrick Coulter is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Clarksville, MD
Posts: 180
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

I didn't think it looked right but wasn't sure if it was a concern. Thanks to all for the advice. Very helpful, as usual!



Patrick Coulter
Cross County Inspection Services, LLC
(443) 266-7544
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 8/15/09, 12:49 AM
Kenton H. Shepard, CMI's Avatar
Kenton H. Shepard, CMI Kenton H. Shepard, CMI is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 2,487
Send a message via ICQ to kshepard
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

I'm with Jeffrey. I don't know what those braces are for and I wouldn't want to guess. I'd rcommend that the seller provide information or get a SI.




Kenton Shepard, InterNACHI member # 04082383
Certified Master Inspector (CMI)
EXPERT WITNESS

Director of Green Building
Director for International Development

(303) 717-8940
(303) 258-8289

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 8/15/09, 1:13 AM
David J. Williams David J. Williams is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: St. George Utah
Posts: 36
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

It's called web bracing. When you recieve your trusses from the manufacturer they come with a packet of papers with each truss listed. After installation framers must go through that packet page by page and check each web of each truss to check for additional bracing. Some builders choose to spend a little more money on their trusses and have them designed a little different, usually an extra web in the truss somewhere. Very common where I'm at.

http://www.unitedframeworks.com/bracing.htm
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 8/15/09, 1:16 AM
David J. Williams David J. Williams is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: St. George Utah
Posts: 36
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

upon further examination of the pictures I believe I'm wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 8/15/09, 1:59 AM
Kenton H. Shepard, CMI's Avatar
Kenton H. Shepard, CMI Kenton H. Shepard, CMI is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 2,487
Send a message via ICQ to kshepard
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dwilliams9 View Post
It's called web bracing. When you recieve your trusses from the manufacturer they come with a packet of papers with each truss listed. After installation framers must go through that packet page by page and check each web of each truss to check for additional bracing. Some builders choose to spend a little more money on their trusses and have them designed a little different, usually an extra web in the truss somewhere. Very common where I'm at.

http://www.unitedframeworks.com/bracing.htm
Web bracing is designed by the engineer who design the trusses. In this case, it's a lot more confusticated set of bracing than I've ever had to install. Usually bracing is a few longitudinals along the bottom chords and web members, and maybe a few diagonals. This one looked too messy to me to be an engineer's design.




Kenton Shepard, InterNACHI member # 04082383
Certified Master Inspector (CMI)
EXPERT WITNESS

Director of Green Building
Director for International Development

(303) 717-8940
(303) 258-8289

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 8/15/09, 8:27 AM
Michael R. Boyett's Avatar
Michael R. Boyett Michael R. Boyett is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 4,098
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

Quote:
Originally Posted by kshepard View Post
confusticated
Wow! Great new word (for me) there Kenton. Definition - The combination of being confused and frustrated. Kind of defines how I go about most of my life



Excellence in Inspections
Mike Boyett, TREC #7290
Capital City Inspections
Austin, Texas
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 8/18/09, 12:58 PM
Donald T. Belmont Donald T. Belmont is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Barre, VT
Posts: 520
Send a message via Yahoo to dbelmont
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

Like most rat's nests I'm sure this one grew one piece at a time.

As others have noted if truss members (chords and webs ) haven't been cut then the other issue is whether the truss units are properly braced. The specifications for that are delivered in the paperwork when the trusses arrive. I know from experience that if they are missing and you can figure out what company made the trusses you can likely get a copy from them.



Don Belmont
email: don@wisehi.com

Are your home inspections priced for profit?
The Service Business Profit Pricing Modeler can answer that question.
Easy, Fast, Accurate, Affordable
Special Pricing for InterNACHI members.
Send me a Private Message for the discount code.

WiseEyes Home and Property Inspections Inc.
Vermont Equine Thermal Imaging
Vermont Home Energy Tune-up



Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 8/18/09, 2:17 PM
Marcel R. Cyr's Avatar
Marcel R. Cyr Marcel R. Cyr is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Winslow, ME
Posts: 12,356
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

Simply just added 2x4's for lateral bracing at time of erection.

No longer required accept for the horizontal permanent lateral bracing.
When erecting hip roof trusses, this is a common procedure.





Cyr Home and Commercial Property Inspections

IAC2 Certified
NACHI04070211
http://co.nachi.org/inachiawards


Commercial Builder
CertainTeed
Master Shingle Applicator
Shingle Technology
Ouellet Associaties Inc.
http://www.oaconstruction.com/
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 8/19/09, 2:07 PM
David E. Helm's Avatar
David E. Helm David E. Helm is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bellingham, Wa
Posts: 689
Default Re: Is this acceptable on truss sytems?

I'm with Marcel on this one. A non-issue



Helm Home Inspection
David Helm, Owner/Inspector
http//www.helmhomeinspections.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
cut floor joice John E. Gibson, #2 General Inspection Discussion 16 9/25/08 10:45 PM
Truss Uplift rcooke Canadian Inspectors 5 2/26/08 8:43 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 7:16 AM.


Copyright © International Association of Certified Home Inspectors, Inc. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147

Popular Sections

:

All Sections

Popular

Membership

Inspection Standards

Education

Chapters & Members

Articles & Links

Other Organizations

 

 

 

NACHI.ORG Statistics

 

 

no new posts