Back Deck

[Kenny Rigler]

Hey Guys-

This is wrong correct? I'm seeing a lack of ledger fasteners, only a 2x6 ledger, and no joist hangers.

Where the joists connect on the stair side, is it okay to attach those using screws from the outside like they did, or should there be joist hangers there as well. Just wanted to double-check before I get a call from the builder on this new construction property. Thanks.

Kenny

[rsmith24]

Can you get your hand around the handrail? or i should say can you grasp it.

[Christopher Currins]

At minimum it needs hangers, and block at ledger board should have at least 1/2" bolts/screws. I can't see enough of ledger board to determine if required number of fasteners were used..

[Robert Ernst]

It needs to be lag bolted or through bolted to the structure and it does need rust resistant hangers and fasteners. I would also expect to see the joists terminate onto a beam so that front board at the stairs should be doubled up and have a double hanger on the one end and be bolted to the 4x4 on the other end. Also if it's just untreated framing lumber that's not acceptable. It should have at least one continuous railing 34-38" high. Many local building departments have deck cheat sheets.

[Kenny Rigler]

Thanks guys. I think I have plenty to go off of. I was also sent a nice link to a wood deck guide that has lots of information as well:

http://www.awc.org/Publications/DCA/DCA6/DCA6-09.pdf

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

There is no visible flashing and it is installed directly against the siding. Looks like Hardiplank, and their instructions prohibit direct contact with other surfaces.

[Kenny Rigler]

Thanks Joe. I'm with you on the spacing between the deck, but how far does Hardiplank go with no direct contact with other surfaces. Dryer vent, chimney vent, electrical boxes, etc??? Or am I just reading that wrong?

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

Originally Posted by krigler

Thanks Joe. I'm with you on the spacing between the deck, but how far does Hardiplank go with no direct contact with other surfaces. Dryer vent, chimney vent, electrical boxes, etc??? Or am I just reading that wrong?

See page 2.

http://www.jameshardie.com/pdf/insta...eplank-hz5.pdf

[Kenny Rigler]

Originally Posted by jfunderburk

See page 2.

http://www.jameshardie.com/pdf/insta...eplank-hz5.pdf

Gotcha...that makes sense. Thanks!

[Kenton H. Shepard, CMI]

Originally Posted by ccurrins

At minimum it needs hangers, and block at ledger board should have at least 1/2" bolts/screws. I can't see enough of ledger board to determine if required number of fasteners were used..

That's modern practice, but required? Anyone got an IRC reference?

[Christopher Currins]

Originally Posted by kshepard

That's modern practice, but required? Anyone got an IRC reference?

http://www.awc.org/Publications/DCA/DCA6/DCA6-09.pdf

page 12, 13

[Brian E. Kelly]

Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between a "Deck" and a "Landing"?

or is there a difference? I don't know myself

[Peter C. Russell]

That looks like a pre-fab set of stairs usually installed on MFG housing, if so the correct joist fasteners may be there just not visible.

[Kenton H. Shepard, CMI]

Originally Posted by ccurrins

http://www.awc.org/Publications/DCA/DCA6/DCA6-09.pdf

page 12, 13

That appears to be a document put out by the American Forest and Paper Association and distributed by the American Wood Council.

It says that IRC requirements are bracketed and the information on pp 12 & 13 are not bracketed and so are not building code and not a requirement.

This is mostly a "best practices" document and it's a good document, but I wouldn't call that staircase and landing defective for lack of joist hangers.
If joists are toe-nailed only, each connection should each have 3 in one side and 2 in the other, 16d vinyl-coated sinker or bigger.

It's hard to see the lags into the rim. If ledgers have less than one 1/2" lag a min. of every 24" staggered up and down and two at each side of each break, I call it defective.

[Jeffery L. Haynes]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Just out of curiosity, what is the difference between a "Deck" and a "Landing"?

or is there a difference? I don't know myself

Simply put, their intended purpose......now trying to get a pencil headed building inspector to acknowledge same is another story.