cedar beams

[Russell E. Napper]

In the picture there is a 6"x10" twenty foot long cedar beam used as an exposed joist on a patio. The beam is attached to the other beam using just five nails on either side. I don't think there is any code being broken here, but this is just not smart. I want to write this builder up, but come up short or words. I really do believe that this is a safety issue beside, as I said, just not smart. Can anyone give me some ideas

[Larry D. Kage]

You could describe what you see and recommend securing the beam connections for enhanced safety...

[Russell E. Napper]

thanks

[Tom Summerford, 808]

I have built a lot and that scares me. I hope that is not a structural beam and its just decoration.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by rnapper

I don't think there is any code being broken here, but this is just not smart.

TX doesn't require framing hardware? This sure wouldn't fly in CA...

[Russell E. Napper]

No they don't. This house is out in the county and thus no city inspections either. This is a new house and there is SO much wrong with it that the owner called me in to inspect and report. They have the same beams inside the house at the family room, but the ends are covered with sheetrock. I would put money on the same type of attachment there.

[Barry Adair]

Originally Posted by jpope

TX doesn't require framing hardware? This sure wouldn't fly in CA...

yes TX does, out in the country, no muni inspector, does not matter

the joists/beams require hangers, report it, let the builder or whoever rebut in writing and take the heat

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Same here Barry, today's standard would require one that looks like this.

[Barry Adair]

Marcel, those hangers are aesthetically much nicer and pricier but these will do if they fit and painted as too not detract from the finished product...

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Yeah, but I am a pricey aesthetic person.
I don't like the look of those rough frame hangers.

[Barry Adair]

Originally Posted by mcyr

Yeah, but I am a pricey aesthetic person.
I don't like the look of those rough frame hangers.

a class act foshizzle!

[Marcel R. Cyr]

What the hell is a foshizzle?

[Marcel R. Cyr]

One of these on each side will work also.

Painted black of course with 1/2" diameter bolts.

[Russell E. Napper]

that is what I had recommended in the report

[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

I'm not sure if I would be calling out the species of wood used. When you get specific, it can come back and bite you. Sort of like saying the jetted tub is a Jacuzzi brand. It may or may not be and the price difference can be quite a bit.