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Nick Gromicko, Certified Master Inspector Find a Home Inspector "Just as iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another." Proverbs 27:17 |
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I've never seen this condition in 35 yrs of contracting. really?
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I don't think it's common, at least not to the extreme shown in the the illustration. I've seen slight curling up at the edges of a couple of slabs, but at the time I assumed it was bad work by the concrete guys.
Slab curling was mentioned in the literature of every major trade organization I used in researching the Visual Inspection of Concrete article. It may be that the conditions required to cause it to any extreme degree are uncommon. Kenton Shepard, InterNACHI member # 04082383 Certified Master Inspector (CMI) InterNACHI Director of International Development Director of Green Building EXPERT WITNESS SERVICE Conventional and Log homes (303) 717-8940
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The graphic is just an exageration of what actually happens.
Having been in commercial Construction for over 40 years, I have been constantly faced with this problem. And every time it happened, we had to fix it. Finnally 5-8 years ago, engineers finnally started specifying slab on grade to be 4000 psi, and remove the entrained air from the concrete. Along with control joints at maximum of 10-15 feet, that cured all the problems with the slab curling. A few, actually quite a few years back, engineers were specifying 2" of sand on the vapor barrier and that also contributed to slab curl. This is not done anymore. This link will help in explaining further; http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...e/cips/19p.pdf LEED Green Associates InachiAwardsPortal: Inachi US Member of the Year Award 2009 |
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A wet sand base is a big cause because the bottom of the slab can't dry but the top does.
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You are right Nick, with experience in pouring thousands of sq. ft. of concrete slabs in my career, I have experienced many engineering and geotechnical problems with slabs in which I was left holding the bag with, because the Contractor is always wrong.
This link here addresses most of the problems I have faced in the past. http://www.buildingscience.com/docum...floor-problems LEED Green Associates InachiAwardsPortal: Inachi US Member of the Year Award 2009 |
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Thanks for posting this article, Marcel. I have never witnessed anyone placing sand over the vapor barrier so thankfully, I missed that volley.
Back in 70's, I was on jobs where we used burlap. I don't know if you can still get it in rolls. I am one of very few contractors who still place concrete work on top of a compacted base (concrete fines or limerock). All residential slabs, drives, walks, etc. here go on uncompacted or minimal compacted native sand (and they crack). Fibercrete has helped some. Even with the poor practices here, you see structural cracking and settlement problems but I have not seen curling. Interesting stuff, Thanks, Nick for the article. www.thebuildinginspector.net William Chandler Licensed Home Inspector #1025 Certified General Contractor #CGC060389 FHA 203(k) Inspector #A0954 Licensed Radon Measurement Technician #R2275 Certified Pollutant Storage Systems Contractor #PCC052624 Certified Underground Utility & Excavation Contractor #CUC057349 |
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According to the Building Science Corp., there should be a capillary break at the underside of the slab. Here's the article.
They say it should be plastic (which causes cracking due to resistance to shrinkage or an aggregate large enough to drain. According to them, the voids between particles are too small to drain due to surface tension. Kenton Shepard, InterNACHI member # 04082383 Certified Master Inspector (CMI) InterNACHI Director of International Development Director of Green Building EXPERT WITNESS SERVICE Conventional and Log homes (303) 717-8940
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Curling of Concrete Slabs -- What, why, & how?
Information from the National Ready Mixed Concrete Association WHAT is Curling? Curling is the distortion of a slab into a curved shape by upward or downward bending of the edges. This occurs primarily due to differences in moisture and/or temperature between the top and bottom surfaces of a concrete slab. The distortion can lift the edges or the middle of the slab from the base, leaving an unsupported portion. The slab section can crack when loads exceeding its capacity are applied. Slab edges might chip off or spall due to traffic when the slab section curls upwards at its edges. In most cases, curling is evident at an early age. Slabs may, however, curl over an extended period. ![]() WHY Do Concrete Slabs Curl? Changes in slab dimensions that lead to curling are most often related to moisture and temperature gradients in the slab. When one surface of the slab changes size relative to the other, the slab will warp at its edges in the direction of relative shortening. This curling is most noticeable at the sides and corners. One primary characteristic of concrete that affects curling is drying shrinkage. Anything that increases drying shrinkage of concrete will tend to increase curling. The most common occurrence of curling is when the top surface of the slab dries and shrinks with respect to the bottom. This causes an upward curling of the edges of the slab (see figure on right). Curling of a slab soon after placement is most likely related to poor curing and rapid surface drying. In slabs, excessive bleeding due to high water content in the concrete or water sprayed on the surface, or a lack of surface moisture due to poor or inadequate curing, can create increased surface drying shrinkage relative to the bottom of the slab. Bleeding is accentuated in slabs placed directly on a vapor retarder (polyethylene sheeting), or when topping mixtures are placed on concrete slabs. Shrinkage differences from top to bottom in these cases are larger than for slabs on absorptive subgrades Thin slabs and long joint spacing tend to increase curling. For this reason, thin unbonded toppings need to have a fairly close joint spacing. In industrial floors, close joint spacing may be undesirable because of the increased number of joints and increased joint maintenance problems. However, this must be balanced against the probability of intermediate random cracks and increased curling at the joints. The other factor that can cause curling is temperature differences between the top and bottom of the slab. The top part of the slab exposed to the sun will expand relative to the cooler bottom, causing a downward curling of the edges (see figure on right). Alternately, during a cold night when the top surface cools and contracts relative to the bottom surface in contact with a warmer subgrade, the curling due to this temperature differential will add to the upward curling caused by moisture differentials. HOW to Minimize Slab Curling The primary factors controlling dimensional changes of concrete that lead to curling are drying shrinkage, construction practices, moist or wet subgrades, and day-night temperature cycles. The following practices will help to minimize the potential for curling:
Some methods of remedying slab curling include ponding the slab to reduce curl, followed by sawing additional contraction joints; grinding slab joints where curling has occurred to restore serviceability; and injecting a grout to fill voids under the slab, in order to restore support and prevent the break-off of uplifted edges. References
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