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Saw this on an inspection today. Didn't see any twisting. Thoughts? Should the straps be utilized? (What's the correct terminology to refer to these straps?)
P.S. The floor above is wood, if that makes any difference.
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Yes, the bridging is 1/2 installed.
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Why is it required, Larry? Is blocking or bridging always required? If the straps hadn't been there at all, would that be a defect? (I probably wouldn't say anything if they were absent.)
“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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They're used to make the floor more rigid. Was there a tile floor above?
I would just recommend completing the installation since it was started. InterNachi Awards Portal: http://co.nachi.org/inachiawards/ ____________________________________________ "An Education, not just an Inspection" Larry Kage, CMI Lake Ann (Traverse City), Michigan 49650 231 929 3525 Professional Inspector serving the Traverse City, Michigan area and beyond.
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There was tile and T&G wood. Correct.
I just feel bad for saying it should be completed, when if it had been absent I wouldn't have said anything. Looking for a reason that it is necessary. “The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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Plus, like I said before, it is there and only 1/2 installed. A recommendation to finish the job would be of no consequence. InterNachi Awards Portal: http://co.nachi.org/inachiawards/ ____________________________________________ "An Education, not just an Inspection" Larry Kage, CMI Lake Ann (Traverse City), Michigan 49650 231 929 3525 Professional Inspector serving the Traverse City, Michigan area and beyond.
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Joe,
I ran into this same deal a handfull of times. Why there not always fastened at the bottoms, I don't know. But anyway, here's what I've come up with: Crawlspace: floor joist bridging— The metal floor joist “X” floor joist ties or bridging brackets were not fastened at the bottom and/or not properly attached in one or more areas. Floor joist bridging is critical to the structural strength of a floor. Proper bridging distributes the load on the floor to other joists and over time prevents floors from sagging and squeaking do to floor joists twisting and warping. Recommend repair and/or reattaching. |
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Because they forgot to finish it after the insulation was installed . I write it up . If it isn't present i mention it there is several ways of installing it and it does stop the twisting and squeaks. I lot of builders will say it is not necessary but of course where are they when the problem occurs .
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Some municipalities in my local do not require bridging. Alot of the builders do not complete the installation because they have had bad response from the home owner. The home owners have been complaining of squeaking from the bridging rubbing against itself. I have not experienced that problem personally. That is the info I've gotten from other builders.
Bill Corbett C.H.I. Magic City Inspections LLC InspectingtheUnexpected.com
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Most framers will bridge when spans exceed 12 ft,.......usually common with 14 - 16 ft spans and that being at the midspan point...............HOWEVER it is not required unless joist exceed 2x12 and then you can either bridge by cross bridging (also called diagonal bridging), solid bridging (shouldn't be offset) or a continuous 1x3 strip nailed along the bottom of the joist perpendicularly.
Bridging does indeed help distribute loads as well as reduce squeeks. When one sees it incomplete than it is often because the framer inserted same from the top just before installing the floor sheathing but failed to jump down into the crawlspace to finish the job. In this particular case it appears that the builder / framer simply picked up the wrong metal cross bridging.......those appear to be for joist 24 inches on center....not 16 inches. regards Jeff |
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Bill Corbett C.H.I. Magic City Inspections LLC InspectingtheUnexpected.com
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Whoops! Report has already gone out!
Good eye Jeff. “The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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Joe,
While bridging is good to have.....and those spans appear rather long, probably 2x10x14 joists, based upon building code you are fine........its not something that is going to adversely effect the habitability of the home. (which is your escape if its ever brought up). Worse case is to simply go back and install a 1x4 (1x3 are obviously uncommon) along the bottom and be done with it. regards Jeff |
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What Jeff said. Bridging is an anti-rotation device, but mainly it encourages squeaking, which is even worse when they require midspan blocks. Wood cross bracing can squeak too.
Kenton Shepard, InterNACHI member # 04082383 Certified Master Inspector (CMI) InterNACHI Director of International Development Director of Green Building EXPERT WITNESS SERVICE Conventional and Log homes (303) 717-8940
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If bridging was part of original design it should be installed. It is a lateral bracing of the joist bottom chord. The joist has more load capacity if it is laterally braced on the bottom edge. Just because it is not twisting today does not guarantee it won't later. And remember the floor joists were design based on a 40 PSF floor live load (if it is a first floor). What if a pool table or something large was placed on the floor. You never know. Bottom line if it was there and intended to be installed why not just state for them to finish it? And yes, if it was absent to start with how would you know it belonged there? You don't, since you did not design it. There are a lot of redundancies in structural design so will it be a problem? Maybe never...I would have written it up. Seems like a waiving red flag.
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