floor joist mechanical damage

[mnicholet]

Your thoughts regarding these floor joist(s) end bearing is appreciated and or including thoughts regarding repair etc. ie. sister entire joist or a section of the end bearing.

This house is new construction and has been passed by the city inspectors.

Obviously some of the 1.5" end bearing is damaged by toe nailing etc.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

If the members would have been installed per the industry standard, it would not be an issue.
Such minimum bearing as shown does not allow toenailing to prevent spliting. Although it will not go anywhere, it was not properly executed.

It should have been done like this which is typical for beam or bearing wall.

[Jeffery L. Haynes]

Marcel,

I was just looking for a picture to show the overlap as well. Framing member will split at times which is why the overlap is needed. Yellow Pine is probably the worst.
Can't tell for sure but those nails look like 8d's.

Jeff

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Can't tell either Jeff, but something tells me that the span of the member might also have been exceeded, and that is why that happened.

CONNECTION - NAILING

1. Joist to sill or girder, toenail 3-8d
2. Bridging to joist, toenail each end 2-8d
3. 1" 6" (25 mm 152 mm) subfloor or less to each joist, face nail 2-8d
4. Wider than 1" 6" (25 mm 152 mm) subfloor to each joist, face nail 3-8d
5. 2" (51 mm) subfloor to joist or girder, blind and face nail 2-16d
6. Sole plate to joist or blocking, typical face nail 16d at 16" (406 mm) o.c.
Sole plate to joist or blocking, at braced wall panels 3-16d per 16" (406 mm)
7. Top plate to stud, end nail 2-16d
8. Stud to sole plate 4-8d, toenail or 2-16d, end nail
9. Double studs, face nail 16d at 24" (610 mm) o.c.
10.Doubled top plates, typical face nail 16d at 16" (406 mm) o.c.
Double top plates, lap splice 8-16d
11.Blocking between joists or rafters to top plate, toenail 3-8d
12.Rim joist to top plate, toenail 8d at 6" (152 mm) o.c.
13.Top plates, laps and intersections, face nail 2-16d
14.Continuous header, two pieces 16d at 16" (406 mm) o.c. along each edge
15.Ceiling joists to plate, toenail 3-8d
16.Continuous header to stud, toenail 4-8d
17.Ceiling joists, laps over partitions, face nail 3-16d
18.Ceiling joists to parallel rafters, face nail 3-16d
19.Rafter to plate, toenail 3-8d
20.1" (25 mm) brace to each stud and plate, face nail 2-8d
21.1" 8" (25 mm 203 mm) sheathing or less to each bearing, face nail 2-8d
22.Wider than 1" 8" (25 mm 203 mm) sheathing to each bearing, face nail 3-8d
23.Built-up corner studs 16d at 24" (610 mm) o.c.
24.Built-up girder and beams 20d at 32" (813 mm) o.c. at top and bottom and staggered 2-20d at
ends and at each splice
25.2" (51 mm) planks 2-16d at each bearing
26.Wood structural panels and particleboard:2 Subfloor and wall sheathing (to framing): 1/2" (12.7
mm) and less 6d 3

19/32"-3/4" (15 mm-19 mm) 8d

4 or 6d5

7/8"-1" (22 mm-25 mm) 8d

3

11/8"-11/4" (29 mm-32 mm) 10d

4 or 8d5

Combination subfloor-underlayment (to framing): 3/4" (19 mm) and less 6d

5
7/8"-1" (22 mm-25 mm) 8d5

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mcyr

Can't tell either Jeff, but something tells me that the span of the member might also have been exceeded, and that is why that happened.

CONNECTION - NAILING

1. Joist to sill or girder, toenail 3-8d
2. Bridging to joist, toenail each end 2-8d
3. 1" 6" (25 mm 152 mm) subfloor or less to each joist, face nail 2-8d
4. Wider than 1" 6" (25 mm 152 mm) subfloor to each joist, face nail 3-8d
5. 2" (51 mm) subfloor to joist or girder, blind and face nail 2-16d
6. Sole plate to joist or blocking, typical face nail 16d at 16" (406 mm) o.c.
Sole plate to joist or blocking, at braced wall panels 3-16d per 16" (406 mm)
7. Top plate to stud, end nail 2-16d
8. Stud to sole plate 4-8d, toenail or 2-16d, end nail
9. Double studs, face nail 16d at 24" (610 mm) o.c.
10.Doubled top plates, typical face nail 16d at 16" (406 mm) o.c.
Double top plates, lap splice 8-16d
11.Blocking between joists or rafters to top plate, toenail 3-8d
12.Rim joist to top plate, toenail 8d at 6" (152 mm) o.c.
13.Top plates, laps and intersections, face nail 2-16d
14.Continuous header, two pieces 16d at 16" (406 mm) o.c. along each edge
15.Ceiling joists to plate, toenail 3-8d
16.Continuous header to stud, toenail 4-8d
17.Ceiling joists, laps over partitions, face nail 3-16d
18.Ceiling joists to parallel rafters, face nail 3-16d
19.Rafter to plate, toenail 3-8d
20.1" (25 mm) brace to each stud and plate, face nail 2-8d
21.1" 8" (25 mm 203 mm) sheathing or less to each bearing, face nail 2-8d
22.Wider than 1" 8" (25 mm 203 mm) sheathing to each bearing, face nail 3-8d
23.Built-up corner studs 16d at 24" (610 mm) o.c.
24.Built-up girder and beams 20d at 32" (813 mm) o.c. at top and bottom and staggered 2-20d at
ends and at each splice
25.2" (51 mm) planks 2-16d at each bearing
26.Wood structural panels and particleboard:2 Subfloor and wall sheathing (to framing): 1/2" (12.7
mm) and less 6d 3

19/32"-3/4" (15 mm-19 mm) 8d

4 or 6d5

7/8"-1" (22 mm-25 mm) 8d

3

11/8"-11/4" (29 mm-32 mm) 10d

4 or 8d5

Combination subfloor-underlayment (to framing): 3/4" (19 mm) and less 6d

5
7/8"-1" (22 mm-25 mm) 8d5

GAWD!!! You guys are still calling nails by the very old English* designations and not by something plain and simple like "2+1/2 inch common nail". I guess it's a long, long way to metric!!

*From Wiki: "Some types of nails are sized in pennies (symbol, d), a system that originated in England centuries ago."............... I'm sure I read somewhere you folks threw the Brits out or something like that.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

GAWD!!! You guys are still calling nails by the very old English* designations and not by something plain and simple like "2+1/2 inch common nail". I guess it's a long, long way to metric!!

*From Wiki: "Some types of nails are sized in pennies (symbol, d), a system that originated in England centuries ago."............... I'm sure I read somewhere you folks threw the Brits out or something like that.

I guess we are still old school Brian, but in todays world on th job, if I were to ask for a 20d they would look at me funny. So I ask for a 4" nail.
I wouldn't want to confuse them now would I.?

I took SI Metric back in 1972 and still waiting to use it.
Might be a while.

[tneyedli1]

Originally Posted by mnicholet

Your thoughts regarding these floor joist(s) end bearing is appreciated and or including thoughts regarding repair etc. ie. sister entire joist or a section of the end bearing.

This house is new construction and has been passed by the city inspectors.

Obviously some of the 1.5" end bearing is damaged by toe nailing etc.

Mark:
A simple solution- Inform the client to.......
add a verticle doubled 2 X 4 onto the inside and gusset on the flush side.
An easy repair.

T.Neyedli CHI
www.alphahomeinspections.ca