Helical Piers vs Push Piers

[phinsperger]

Hi Robert,

Glad to hear you are happy with the work perfomed. If you wouldn't mind sharing, what was the finnal bill for all 7?

[ROBERT W. NEWLAND, JR.]

I don't mind at all because I had received eye popping guess-timates from several people in the range of $30-40k. The total bill was $8750.00. A few other written estimates I received were a little lower but there were additional charges if the piers went deeper than 20 ft ($25 per foot). My cost per pier did not have additional depth charges. I had a few go beyond the 20 ft mark.

[bdoles2]

Originally Posted by rnewland

I'm not sure if this will work but let's see..... http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLan...fromshare&Ux=0

Nice work...

[phinsperger]

That seems like a very reasonable price to me

[john bubber]

hope your situation works out and hope you actually needed piering,
MANY homeowners are talked into piering or underpinning etc when its
not necessary.

also hope they waterproofed that one crack in bsmt wall, and any others
on the............outside.

if there were bricks atop of this retaining wall, what might they look like,huh?
How would any piering help relieve-lessen SOIL pressure or roots? It can`t.
-----scroll down to picture of retainning wall,HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE
http://www.ohiominesubsidence.com/Definitions.aspx




cracks in basement walls often occur due to expanding/contracting soil
pressure against the WALL and/or roots against the wall. some cracks occur around
the time when home is built.

cracks in BRICKS ABOVE the wall, especially above/near where there is a
crack in the basement wall may subsequently follow as the soil continues
to expand-contract with or without the help of roots.

so YES, if/when a crack in BASEMENT wall occurs, or WIDENS then a
homeowner may begin to see cracks in bricks...does NOT mean they
automatically have a settling issue....BLLCHTTTTT! Doesn`t mean they need any sort
of helical piering/underpinning etc.......BLCCCHTTTT!

The bricks can certainly crack,separate,widen because the crack in the
basement wall occurred or the crack in bsmt wall is WIDENING and often
is widening due to soil pressure and/or roots AGAINST the dang WALL!!!
This is what we/i`ve witnessed.....LEARNED, hands-on/up close for
3 decades.

Have never sold 1 pier,never any wall anchoring bcllhtt, just a few underpinning
instances......30 years....no homeowner complaints....hmmmm.

some will own a home for many years/decades and not have
any problems/cracks and then all of a sudden...bamm. too many HO`s
begin to freak out when they see a crack in wall and/or in bricks, many
ASSUME and/or are told their foundation is fallin` apart, hurry up and
spend many thousands before your house/foundation is ruined.

and just because a homeowner may receive several bids/opinions from
from supposed foundation experts who tell the HO they need piers etc
doesn`t mean chtt to me. Of course many, prolly MOST of these
salespeople are going to make-their-case to the homeowner to sell, sell,
sell.

Its very possible for ram jacked piering/any piering to slip/drop if/when
water-in-soil changes, jacking chtt around can cause-lead to other
problems/cracks to other parts of house/walls/floor etc.

LOOK......... IF, IF,IF.....there was a problem with the FOOTING,
a cracked/separated/dropped footing....it would be VISIBLE on the outside
when dug out. Digging out a few small areas to install PIERS doesn`t
define the actual problem(s)......they are assuming, not defining.

IF,IF,IF...... a homeowner had other problem(s) then they may also
see their basement FLOOR crack/drop, especially around-near a corner.

See so-MANY get BS`d into piers when it ABSOLUTELY was NOT NEEDED!

Ya know, quite a few of these self proclaimed foundation-waterproofing
experts are incompetent, don`t have the many years of experience they
advertise/tell ya they do, not talking about company you had.

For instance, several companies around here who have been in business
for 30 years STILL don`t understand several things, they don`t believe
in hydrostatic SOIL-pressure and backfill with 1/2 or all of the same CLAY
they dug out.....some think its all about the freakin` DRAIN TILES, they
actually think a basement wall can leak if any of the outside tiles are
blocked/cracked......so sorry.....Wrong! SHEESH!!!

best of luck to ya! some links which mostly delve into the truth, not the BS.

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...ion-A2095.html


this next link......read.... 'footings' and then read..... 'basement walls'..CAUSE and
RESOLUTION.
if there ISN`T a cracked/dropped footing but rather a crack(s) in basement wall
then bricks could begin to crack/separate and THAT is many more HO`s problem.
So again.....assuming a HO needs piers when they DON`T KNOW if footing is cracked/dropped is PRETENTIOUS Bcllllllttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hit it again.....one may ONLY have a crack in basment wall and NOT need piering/underpinning etc.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpwes/p...ay.htm#whatare



http://www.archicentre.com.au/surviv...king_brick.pdf
Agree with alot of this, not all.

"If a crack appears overnight in your previosuly intact brick house, don`t panic. It is not
the first step in the total disintegration of your whole home.

Most cracks require cosmetic treatment only.The MAJORITY are NOT indictions of grave
structural damage."

"Unfortunately lack of knowledge can lead to the adoption of UNNECESSARILY expensive
treatments which may be suggested by firms BIASED in favour of using their own
patented and profitable 'cures'."


http://dwightyoderbuilders.com//concrete.cfm

........." This type of drainage (gravel-peastone AGAINST the Basement Wall) prevents
trapped water and saturated soil next to the foundation from building up
HORIZONTAL HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE against the WALL. This pressure will
crack walls, cause leaks, and in a worst case,collapse the wall INWARD"

So those builders/contractors/city inspectors/SE`s who don`t understand this
are INCOMPETENT! Better watch what SOME recommend.

[ROBERT W. NEWLAND, JR.]

Feel better? What was that all about? Thanks for the education...I think

[Jeffrey R. Jonas]

Originally Posted by rnewland

Feel better? What was that all about? Thanks for the education...I think

John can definately go on, and on, and on sometimes....
and maybe be a little harsh at times...
But, I gotta' admit... I sure learn a hell-of-a-lot from him

[ROBERT W. NEWLAND, JR.]

LOL Gotta love the effort for sure

[John Cahill]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Many foundation repair companies offer a lifetime transferable guarantee.

There was once an 86 year old pest control operator. He gave a lifetime warranty on his termite treatments when the industry norm was 5 years.