insulating rafters

[Nick Letts]

Originally Posted by mcyr

Where are you from Mr. Lett?
This might help me help you more.

There are a lot of variations for what you are doing, and I have done most of them.

NC....in the mountains......

[Nick Letts]

Originally Posted by ryoung7

I have a less than 100 sq ft room off the back my house I am finishing. The roof is gently sloped and ties into the back wall of my house well below the rest of the roof line. I want to insulate it when I finish it and to be sure I am doing it the right way.
Yes you are right now that I read it.
Not really. Being honest.
See Mr.L again I am relating what I have read.
You are finishing , to me meaning you started something.

Ok so you read it wrong. Fine. I have clarified the situation 3 times at least now and you continue to argue a mute point.

The ironic thing is that the only reason I had this question is because the room exists already. if i was building it new I would have never had the question I did. I apologize for not being clearer.

Originally Posted by ryoung7

I see you do not take contractors advice , supply store advice but come to home inspectors for advice.

never said that I said I have heard bad advice from both. I mean lets be honest for every reputable contractors there are 3 that dont know what they are talking about. Also I find it funny you want to protect people on a message board from general advice but dont see a liability issue with contractors giving face to face advice to people of random skill levels? that is a liability issue. There are some people full of great advice at supply stores but not everyone by a long shot. as I said before I like multiple opinions.

Originally Posted by ryoung7

We are trained to view by visual means only.
So I still do not see the relevance here yet.

you dont see relevance in asking for help from someone that might have experience?

Originally Posted by ryoung7

Maybe I would be pissed to Mr.L but I am looking through my eyes seeing what harm can be done and trying to avoid this practice all together and you see it through your eyes.

What harm exactly is done by telling people what options you know of??

Originally Posted by ryoung7

Meaning you deserve it because you do.
I can not stop people helping you and only wish you to find solutions to your questions.
But contractors, supply store and home inspectors all have different abilities and I would be at a contractor asking questions.
Bet 50 percent would avoid me.

I do ask contractors too but i think you have a distorted view of contractors and store workers.

Originally Posted by ryoung7

You came asking code questions and again" we are not code inspectors".Why get mad at Roy?
Does this make any sense to you at all?.
But that's me.

I am not mad at anyone. If this made me mad I would get much done. Roy asserted that I "used" people to tell me how to wire something. False. I asked a code question because I thought people here would know how it read and interpreted.

The problem I have with roys statement and many of your is this idea that I am somehow stealing or looking for handouts. Again no one needs to answer me if they dont want. This is just another way to share info. You want contractors to give free advice but have issues with someone asking here.

see the big flaw i see in your argument is that you are trying to say your concern is for things being done proper and not overlooked but you are trying to stop a flow of good information simultaneously

Originally Posted by ryoung7

There is a ton of relevant information out there Mr.L it easy to access.
best of luck with your project and May out Father grant you all the knowledge you are looking for.
Merry Christmas.

would not a simple link to some info have been much easier??

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by jhaynes

Robert,

I took your comments as what they were meant to be, just an honest concern for your fellow inspectors......no big deal.

Your concerns can also be said for inspectors in general.........the majority of the time when an inspector ask a question (even with pictures), there is rarely not enough information provided.............I can understand it coming from those non-members who are not inspectors but when inspectors are posting questions and fail to provide enough pictures then that speaks as to their thoroughness and experience.

Every inspection I perform I make sure I take enough exterior pictures from all elevations including those that reflect the grade / slope of the property and where there are issues I take pictures from various angles. In my opinion one can never take enough pictures. Just this year alone I have take over 2 GB worth of pictures just from home inspections.

I don't know how long you have been doing inspections but I remember when inspection reports were mostly written without pictures........I heard an CE instructor advice to be careful about taking to many pictures because it show things that you miss..............I disagree with that philosophy simply because one is already conceding that they are not thorough........... because I am thorough I will review every picture I taken before I release my report.....this also explains to why I do not release reports
in the field.

regards

Jeff

Thanks Jeff

I have been inspecting for 4 plus years but stopped last year so I can do it in a organized, structured manner, with methodology for comparison, that I can work with.
Hope I made sense. ( Tired )
I have taken 8 months off and partly closed my exterior facade restoration and repair company.
I want to give myself the time needed to get my structured reporting practices down pat and a viable business platform base, before I approach the real-estate market. .
Today I did 2 inspections today.
Nervous-They where OK and need fine tuning ,but welcome to the world of growing your business.
I tested my strategy and a clients agent applauded a part of my business platform.
Testing the waters is part of many business plan.
I am happy.
Now thank you for your reply and I am sorry for being so long winded with my reply.
I am happy and wanted to answer you truthfully, about my experience.

Your point about pictures is a true example of helpful.
I am seeing that myself and will run with your lead.
How many is to many? The residential building can only answer that question.
I snapped 12 photos of the firebox breast, damper, and smoke chamber. Home ( mansion ) is 1872.
I have a chance to sell ( move in certified ) again.
Again I agree with you.
You are right I have also mentioned to others MORE PHOTOS and better angles please.
Now releasing you reports after the inspection?
Releasing your reports in the field shows contempt and lack of responsibility to your business and fellow inspectors " to me "
Shows a rush to finish, review, and clients will get use to an inspection being 2.5 hours long. Like inspection mill.
What would you pay for a 2.5 hour inspection?
Or anything else for that matter.
I would not trust a short inspection knowing what I know.

Thank you for your honesty because I felt bad he is taking it the wrong way.
No joke I am a compassionate man. Hes mad as heck. WHY?
I would help him if he asked but not on the MB
Merry Christmas you lightened my day.
NO JOKE JEFF.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by Nick Letts

Ok so you read it wrong. Fine. I have clarified the situation 3 times at least now and you continue to argue a mute point.

The ironic thing is that the only reason I had this question is because the room exists already. if i was building it new I would have never had the question I did. I apologize for not being clearer.




never said that I said I have heard bad advice from both. I mean lets be honest for every reputable contractors there are 3 that dont know what they are talking about. Also I find it funny you want to protect people on a message board from general advice but dont see a liability issue with contractors giving face to face advice to people of random skill levels? that is a liability issue. There are some people full of great advice at supply stores but not everyone by a long shot. as I said before I like multiple opinions.

you dont see relevance in asking for help from someone that might have experience?



What harm exactly is done by telling people what options you know of??



I do ask contractors too but i think you have a distorted view of contractors and store workers.



I am not mad at anyone. If this made me mad I would get much done. Roy asserted that I "used" people to tell me how to wire something. False. I asked a code question because I thought people here would know how it read and interpreted.

The problem I have with roys statement and many of your is this idea that I am somehow stealing or looking for handouts. Again no one needs to answer me if they dont want. This is just another way to share info. You want contractors to give free advice but have issues with someone asking here.

see the big flaw i see in your argument is that you are trying to say your concern is for things being done proper and not overlooked but you are trying to stop a flow of good information simultaneously





would not a simple link to some info have been much easier??

MR.L
You answered all my explanations.
Thank you.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Used to be a regular poster and an all-NACHI supporter.......but now he's marching to a different drum.....having seen what "certification" and good training is really all about!

Look Brian Mac.N
I am truly sorry.
Loads of stress and can not see straight.
You are a value to any association and my ignorance and shot temper are not needed here, or anywhere else for that mater.
Time to take a break and back into the books.
Your insight into the goings on in the home inspection industry are valued ( to a point )others have opinions too.
I am just mad at learning over the past 9 months how others calming to be truly interested in forming associations only weaken the structure.
You views on issues and mine are not far apart , its the solutions that differ, that's all.
See I do not mind, not being the driver, as long as we all get to the destination safely and hopefully all respecting each others opinion.
Merry Christmas to you.
May our Father grant you all you wishes into this new year.
I will come back when my tongue is civil and the God Lord has beaten some sense into this BLOCK head of mine.

[Jeffery L. Haynes]

I have learned that be it message boards or emails, trying to convey messages can be difficult, especially when emotions are involved..............add to the fact that some individuals turn into keyboard hero's, spouting of at the mouth in a manner that they would not if they were standing in front of the person.

I took your message for what it was worth......yet often through misunderstandings if not false assumptions things can get a bit whacked shall we say.

I notice that the original post was from a fellow North Carolinian, so it only made since that I attempt to answer his question, even more so since I am also a licensed contractor (residential and commercial) in the same state.

It wont take you long to recognize those who are here to help out.......Marcel being one of them.

warm regards and have a Merry Christmas as well.....

Jeff