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Old 1/22/10, 10:38 AM
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Larry, the last time I copied that article with her name on it, she threaten Inachi for copyright infringement.
Although a good article, I will never use it again. And this was quite awhile ago.
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Old 1/22/10, 12:15 PM
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What's so hard about simply noting the type of support posts in a home and simply allow the homeowners decide what they want to do with them?


When I find temporary support posts in a home, my inspection report states....

Temporary Support Posts installed. You may want to consider replacing all temporary screw jacks (support posts) with permanent cement filled Lally Columns.
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Old 1/22/10, 1:36 PM
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Please provide us with the bearing load on each of these jacks so that we can determine that they are inadequate for the application.

If I put 50 screw jacks under my house, because I'm stupid and don't know why I'm putting them there, should I be required to put 50 permanent jacks in their place?

Please go back to your standards of practice and read that home inspectors are not here to provide structural analysis or analysis of any component within the house. Then decide if you want to take on the engineering community as to whether the post should be replaced or not.



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Please provide us with the bearing load on each of these jacks so that we can determine that they are inadequate for the application.

If I put 50 screw jacks under my house, because I'm stupid and don't know why I'm putting them there, should I be required to put 50 permanent jacks in their place?

Please go back to your standards of practice and read that home inspectors are not here to provide structural analysis or analysis of any component within the house. Then decide if you want to take on the engineering community as to whether the post should be replaced or not.
I would not need a load bearing analysis to determine if a post (jack) is a temporary support. A temporary support in my opinion is a defect. According to the SOP I follow I am required to report defects.



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Old 1/22/10, 7:08 PM
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I would not need a load bearing analysis to determine if a post (jack) is a temporary support. A temporary support in my opinion is a defect. According to the SOP I follow I am required to report defects.
Are you the one asking this thread question?

Your opinion over an engineer. Go for it...

It's not a defect if you can't prove it is one...

You can have a support that is not a structural component, no?!

Stop a squeak in the floor that is not structural related?

"Oh my, you have a screw jack! Must do something about that"! Why? I want to know WHY?!

You have not given us any reason other than it is a srew jack that you consider temporary.

They may have been there since 1949!? What issues are detrimental to the structure are you seeing now to make us all sit up and want to change this!?



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Larry, the last time I copied that article with her name on it, she threaten Inachi for copyright infringement.
Although a good article, I will never use it again. And this was quite awhile ago.

Thanks, Marcel, for the heads up. It is a good article.



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What's so hard about simply noting the type of support posts in a home and simply allow the homeowners decide what they want to do with them?


When I find temporary support posts in a home, my inspection report states....

Temporary Support Posts installed. You may want to consider replacing all temporary screw jacks (support posts) with permanent cement filled Lally Columns.


Exactly...pretty simple.



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Old 1/22/10, 8:00 PM
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I don't worry too much about them unless they are less than 3" in diameter and the load that is on them is such that it should be the standard Lally column. Some of these heavy duty ones are capable of 18,000 lb.'s with a 1" screw.
Hell, they are all over the place. Have not heard of any to collapse yet.
I have seen some that are only 2" telescope and bowed in the middle due to load. Then I call it out.
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Old 1/23/10, 6:26 AM
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I have seen some that are only 2" telescope and bowed in the middle due to load. Then I call it out.

Damn, I'm looking for an image of this exact defect, for my website. Got one?
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Old 1/23/10, 9:18 AM
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I do Dave from one of my inspections.
It is on a disc, I'll dig it up for you.
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Old 1/23/10, 9:21 AM
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I do Dave from one of my inspections.
It is on a disc, I'll dig it up for you.
I'd appreciate a copy of that too, Marcel.

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Old 1/23/10, 10:04 AM
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Just emailed both of you what I had Larry and Dave.
If it don't help, just file them.
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Old 1/23/10, 10:22 AM
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Just emailed both of you what I had Larry and Dave.
If it don't help, just file them.
Marcel,
Enter the photo in he "defects" contest.
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