something else to chew on

[john bubber]

I thought Jimmy had a peanut farm

Is brother Billy dead yet?

Will backfill with all peastone where any concrete etc will be on top,
otherwise it`s peastone up to within 3-6 inches of grade, depends if
HO has bush,grass etc. More `stone against 'top' of vertical cracks the
better, especially those big/wide one`s.

[klott]

Originally Posted by john bubber

I thought Jimmy had a peanut farm Nope, he is one!

Is brother Billy dead yet? yep, billy beer killed him.

Will backfill with all peastone where any concrete etc will be on top,
otherwise it`s peastone up to within 3-6 inches of grade, depends if
HO has bush,grass etc. More `stone against 'top' of vertical cracks the
better, especially those big/wide one`s.

What about the paper?

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Ken; did you mean Non woven geotextile fabric.?
Just a thought.

Marcel

[john bubber]

Originally Posted by klott

What about the paper?

No paper in 30 yrs.

[klott]

I was just using paper( i still type with 1 left finger marcel) as an example to ask if he recommemnds any type cover, many installers still use paper down here.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Hope you are gaining ground Ken. Sucks to type with one fingure.
Sometimes I have a hard time with ten. ha. ha.
Take care.

Marcel

[john bubber]

some Pic`s....2 different jobs-both block walls

also few pic`s of new wall/construction last link

"Said the night wind to the little lamb: Do you see what i see?"

You might have to click.... "back" on right!!

http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...9a7f456&SKU=HP just 5 here,starting job


remainder, same job
http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...3df5506&SKU=HP


pic 23- someone already TRIED to divert surface-water by putting in
drain tiles, guess what? lolol Didn`t work AND, see how a lil bs french drain tiles can get clogged, its NOT why basements leaks at corner. And
LOTS of water enters onto floor where wall `n floor meet, dang skippy


20-22- vertical crack that goes.....all-the-way-down, uh huh. Also top corner block has hairline crack in parging and, it surely allows water to enter.

18,19- separation/crack where porch wall meets front wall, efflorescence on inside of wall

15-17- Inside basement,inside shot of pic`s 18 & 19. Crack is wider at
top than at bottom. Little pile of dirt on floor at bttom of crack. 15, tried to get pic of efflorescence, not so good.

12-13- Inside basement, inside corner,other vertical crack. NO crack APPEARS inside.

8-10- drain tiles, not a thing wrong with them!

7- better use hydraulic cement before applying THICK asphalt `n visqueen if ya want it to last, never leak.

6- black plastic perforated drain tile which many builders use on new homes. One of my guys standing on tile, he weighs about 200 lbs. Can ya see why i posted Oxford Plastics link? THEY say....we don`t recommend using THIS plastic tile at DEPTHS Greater than 1.2 meters, it can COLLAPSE. And city inspectors OK this CRAP at 6-8'++ depths.

It sure can, shtt, see what 200 lb standing on top of it does. Yeah yeah, one can try and 'encase' it/support it before backfilling. Why screw around? What, just to save a lil time and some MONEY Mister builder? Idiots!

5- If anything wrong w/clay tiles then we use pvc, see how it doesn`t collapse with 200 lbs on it.

4- After standing on tile for about 20 seconds

2,3- Some say ya can`t seal/waterproof the outside cold joint. I say
they know Not what they preach, STOP with the MYTHS please.


First 6 pic`s below....new house
http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...24245c1&SKU=HP .....click 'back' on right to view


took first 6 pics in early morning, not so good.
pic 1- concrete next to foundation, apparently going to backfill instead of hauling shtt away
2- lots of roots, backfilling too
3- damproofing, at least they allowed it to set/harden
5- about 12-18" peastone over tiles, nowhere near enough, wonderful codes.
4,6- black plastic perf tile on inside, will be under bsmt floor BUT, they used SAME tile
on outside--DEPTH greater than 1.2 meters


7- NEXT job,again, block wall
9- opening under sill
10,11- gas line had a LIL-thin mortar over it, not enough
12-15- piece of shtt gas line they did NOT fasten to house, sob`s! Go ahead and try digging 6' around this mfr

16-18 someone,some ROOKIE, most likely an Inside company or previous HO installed a pathetic french drain w/peastone, about 12" or so of stone on top of tile.

Check PIC 16, they applied thin asphalt on top 12-18" of wall THEN, put visqueen on top of wall and ran it over the tile! HhhahahahhAAAAhahahhahahahahaahahhahahhaaaaa!

They actually thought laying visqueen down and installing french drain would keep water out of basement, Noooooooooo, dummies. lolol Have to waterproof the wall, any cracks, openings in wall...knock knock....NOBODY home.

What brilliant waterproofing school taught this NONSENSE? lolol Hey, come spend a day or two with us, ya might learn something. What a JOKE!

More must-see Tv....
Tiny Tim on Rowan and Martin.....Timmy <-- you show me a tropical fruit and i`ll show you a ____sukker from Guatemala -GC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0

[john bubber]

Am sure this guy was a good inspector and is trying to help folks and, he
is correct when he talks about these loser INSIDE salespeople-companies
blllchtting people and when he says high water table is RARELY the case
BUT....... when he says cause is a drainage issue that is easily corrected
he`s mistaken.

He has said in other articles that 90% of all leaky basements can be solved
by raising the grade and/or longer extensions on downspouts, so sorry, i
totally disagree.

http://www.moneypit.com/newsletters/...sletter.html#2


scroll down to.... WET Basement Woes

'......the functionality of the gutter system on your roof have far more
to do with with correcting the basement leakage than ANY subsurface
drainage system'

if he`s including exterior waterproofing of the crack(s)-wall then he is
WRONG!


he says 'foundation walls are subject to the SAME hydrostatic pressure'????? Huh????? Nonsense! Basement walls are subject to alot MORE pressure.


But Mr Tom, keep pounding the truth on many of these Inside Co`s, your right on the money!


How about these couple of NUTS
Damproofing scam.......
Detective Huckleberry Hound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUJttwvla7s

http://www.lancashireeveningtelegrap...t_by_fraud.php

[john bubber]

same shtt, different day,different homeowner

http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...51cc22f&SKU=HP


Homeowner gets water onto basement floor, comes out where bottom of wall and floor meet ....the problem, the reason water gets into the hollow blocks and comes out onto floor @ cold joint are cracks `n few other openings OUTSIDE. The Inside-sales-scammers like to tell HO`s a different story, one that fits their needs, an interior drain tile/baseboard system with a sump, thats ALL they do, an inside system.

They`ll say crap like "Oh Mr & Mrs Jones, you have a high water table" and/or "Oh, hydrostatic pressure problem under the floor" and/or "Oh, the outside drain tiles are clogged/broken" etc etc.

Lets see, vertical crack near corner, horizontal cracks on both-corners, no mortar in some areas along top of wall/ledge, roots against wall. Drain tiles just ducky. At corner there is a poured-footing.

On this house, inside basement at corner, there was water locked-up inside some of the blocks,efflorescence/mold/paint peeling. Insects galore!

Ask again, how would ANY inside system have STOPPED water from entering,huh? How would it stop mold/efflorescence/insects,huh? How would it have taken any pressure/roots off the outside of wall.....bllchtt, not gonna happen.

THE Tragedy, Jim Beam, THE Bourbon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_j9...related&search=

[john bubber]

Homeowners in Sterling Heights MI,

They have 1-one area on side wall where, on a wind blown rain they get
water on floor.

They had 2 companies come out, NEITHER took any time to FIRST define-
determine WHERE/how the water was first-entering, both quickly gave `em
estimates though.

One was Everdry who said problem was under bsmt floor, wanted $15,000.

That`s $15,000! g damiittt

Went over there this morning, ran hose-water-test directly on outside
of problem area inside. Ran LOTS `n lots of water at GROUND level, NO
water entered, not a drop. (already knew part or all of problem was 2
windows)

Ok, now with one of them inside and one them outside watching me i
begin to spray water agianst a basement window, within 10 seconds
water enters, same area as the wind blown rains. So, the window
is one problem, are there any more?

Start to run water/spray a newer bedroom window that has a screen,
about 30 seconds later water enters on floor, runs down behind drywall.

The WINDOWS are the PROBLEMS, not the STUPID blccht explanation
that these Inside losers gave.

Many people have been BLCCHTTTTT`D just-like-this. They spend
thousands then come to find out they only needed to replace a window
or needed some tuckpointing etc.

These folks, if they had believed Everdry would have been out $15,000
and still had leak, still had to replace/repair the WINDOWS! Ya think
these water-diverting companies will give the $15,000 back? hell no!!

Can you say scam? I certainly can! SCAM SCAM SCAM!
INCOMPETENT!

The Devil Inside--INXS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luobOzreRq4

[john bubber]

couple pic`s of bowed wall, cracks, see mold in corner behind drywall?

appears to be one of those shtty interior-baseboard-systems installed

http://www.inspectorsjournal.com/for...9_DSC05433.JPG


http://www.inspectorsjournal.com/for...2_DSC05431.JPG

....good old Erby

grip tite, anchors etc is NOT gonna save these walls. how does anyone
deduce putting carbon straps on inside will relieve TONS of soil pressure
and/or roots pushing against wall on the outside. why? just because
grip-tite SAYS so? just because companies who install Inside Systems
sats so? Just because a manufacturer puts on their own display on a
video they made/they controlled? WTF!!!

and when one waits too long, walls get worse than this still want to
'monitor' cracks/movement or do something to try and help relieve,lessen
the cause/pressure, huh? And how about WATERPROOFING the dang wall
to, i don`t know, maybe stop water from entering and get rid of MOLD
due to water that is entering through the stupid wall.

By the way, sheesh....the mind-set/idea`s on basement waterproofing
`n foundation work over THERE is pretty darn SORRY! lolol
Some need LOTS `n LOTS of help. It`s no wonder some get sued,
cough that inspection fee back up

If any SE recommends grip tite etc and NOT to relieve/lessen soil pressure
AND waterproof walls like this, homeowners please sue their azz!
Same goes for these water-diverting companies who ONLY install
inside systems, will tell homeowners all kinds of shtt just so they
sell that inside drain tile or baseboard job. They give less than 2 craps
about you!

Then some will actually say raising the grade and longer downspout
extensions will relieve soil pressure, WTF are they talking about!!!

Mister Rogers Neighborhood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o44oyIbxMLM

[john bubber]

Basement Waterproofing Lifetime Guarantees Huh? Blllchhttttttt!!!

Wake up people will ya please!

-Contractor`s Expensive Error Lingers on For Years... Video

http://www.13wham.com/mostpopular/st...d-bbc3361dc2c8


INCOMPETENT!

Anyone recommending SHTT like this should be SUED as well.

These INSIDE salespeople are NOT, repeat NOT experts! Sheeshus Krist!

All they are going to try and do is...DUH, SELL you the ONLY fkg thing they do, an inside drain tile method. Why do many seemingly-fairly smart people get BLLLLCHHHTTTTT`D into these scams? Use yer BRAIN folks.

If you look at wall(s), appears Everdry placed their sheeting/paneling against the inside of wall, from floor to about 3' up...THIS will do NOTHING!
It may only hide/conceal whats most likely to occur, water entering, dampness on wall,mold,efflorescence,crack widening,wall bowing in/deterioration on wall...especially last course of blocks! Dumb sob`s.

Any realtor, HI, SE, Home Imp radio host who recommend INCOMPETENT companies should be held accountable/liable! Tired of watching these Inside Co`s bllcht commercials my g damn TV, trying to seduce people outta their money. its ok for these media outlets to grab that BIG money from these Inside losers huh? yeah-shtt-sure. I`m gonna POP these scammers if its the last thing i do, and thats a Lifetime guarantee! Ha!!!

[john bubber]

Leaky chimney? Huh?

See water coming out of/near chimney-chute door in basement?

The following picture`s show some of the openings that allow water to
first-enter on the outside and many see it enter inside through/near
chimney chute door...NO inside drain tile or baseboard system with
or without a sump pump will stop/prevent this water from entering.

you may have to 'click back' on right side
http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...a269878&SKU=HP#


As always, i FIRST define/diagnose how-where water is entering with a hose/water test. Does Everdry,Insta Dry,B Dry,Basement Systems do THIS
for HO`s.....Huh? chtt!!!

Lady was getting water out of chimney chute door, a friend told her she could take door off and cement it shut and this would solve her problem/leak, and thats what she/he did...tried. Doesn`t work that way folks, so sorry.

Ok, so i ran a hose/water at ground level around 3 sides of chimney, water entered through the cement-shut-door within 5 minutes.

So, one now knows there is a problem/crack(s) or other openings on outside of 1 or more of the 3 chimney walls because, AHEM, water entered. Remedy...waterproof chimney walls ONLY, don`t need to waterproof 1/2 the wall or entire wall, only has leak in one area, hello? Raising the grade,longer downspout extensions NOR an Inside drain tile system will stop water from entering, neither will cementing the door, none of this crap waterproof`s the cracks & other openings.....ding ding ding ding! Got milk?

Cost? $925

Pics 1,2,3 Beginning of job...some will tell you there isn`t enough room to excavate and will push an inside system on you...NONSENSE! The picture`s and expertise CLEARLY shows otherwise.

Pics 5,6,7 Dug out first few feet, already know there will be a crack(s) or other openings in one or more of the chimney walls, the hose test PROVED that, without any doubt.

Pics 8,9 Not an easy dig, roots, lots of bricks and chunks of concrete
our builder-friends backfilled with. Not digging sand here, clay on most jobs. Think its easy? Grab a digging shovel and start digging in 90 degree weather.

Pics 10,11,12,17 ZERO in on on these, this is another avenue/pathways for water to first-enter, gets into chimney and enters out chimney chute door and/or at-near cold joint.

And yes, as some of you know, open mortar joints/cracked-loose bricks/crown/flashing etc can also allow water to enter.

Pics 13,14,15 vertical crack and a hairline horizontal crack(can`t see so good in pic 14)

18,19,20 end of job.....ummmm, does the landscaping looked messed up to you? Chtt... some love to tell HO`s this CRAP so they can try `n CON you into the ONLY thing they do, an inside system. If one doesn`t ELIMINATE and prevent further water then one won`t stop/prevent the likelihood of mold

BRUCE Almighty http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/03153...0315327&seq=21



Oh, hey inspector friends of the world, top right reputation...hey, THANK YOU! lolololol
Inspectors here give me a LOW REPUTATION, HILLARIOUS!!!

[john bubber]

Recent job, block wall, back wall and part of 2 sides. Back wall HAD a porch
`n footings..approx. 15'x8'.

In the basement HO got water along cold joint/cove on back and part of
the 2 sides. HO had some mold, paint peeling on walls and efflorescence, most of efflorescence was along bottom course-row of block and in 1 corner. Thats because there were cracks in corner and a horizontal crack along entire back wall at top of bottom block.

http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...81c249c&SKU=HP


starting from pic`s 19-21...hairline vertical crack near corner. Raising the grade, longer downspouts or an inside drain tile system will NOT stop/prevent water from entering. These things do not waterproof/seal the cracks, knock knock. If you don`t stop/eliminate water from entering then how the shtt you going to stop/prevent mold, what about efflorescence,huh? What about termites and other crap entering.

some will recommend raising the GRADE? lolol What don`t some understand? Every job we`ve done for 30 freaking years has had cracks-other direct openings on outside of walls, THIS IS the Problem...this is where problem will be SOLVED. Adding dirt or longer downspouts doesn`t fix the crack(s)....sheesh!

16...block footings, one NOT needed and, they are right up against the wall. Footings CAN cause cracks in walls, can cause a wall to bow in, sure they can. If a footing moves, dips/settles against a basement wall, you better believe it can cause problems. No, not that many do but more than some think.

And when they do, some want to LEAVE this WEIGHT against a basement wall????? Yeah, some want to install beams, grip tite, anchors etc and leave the weight/pressure on outside, not very smart! Don`t forget, there are now cracks in wall, only way to stop water from enytering these cracks is to waterproof them on Outside and, take the weight/pressure off the dang wall.

13,14....as usual there is NOTHING wrong with outside drain tiles! Contrary to popular belief.

10,11,12...hairline horizontal crack, runs the entire length of back wall, its where efflorescence is on inside of block wall. Its NOT because the outside tiles are clogged, sheesh, foolish assumptions.

6...a./c hooked up within 24 hours

1 and 5...some will assume there isn`t enough room to excavate, again, PICTURES and EXPERTISE CLEARLY PROVE otherwise! STOP with the false claims will ya please, GRRRRR.

Some are way better off keeping their trap shut on THIS subject, they know NOT what they speak and it may cost them, darn skippy. Got Milk?

Raise the grade huh? Longer downspouts huh? Let me ask, please thoroughly define just how raising the grade/longer downspouts/mujacking slab will waterproof a crack! How will any of these lessen/relieve soil pressure off the outside of a basement wall? How will these thing remove roots off a wall?

HI classes show you any of this shtt? Thats cuz THEY don`t know EITHER!
You recommend raising grade when house is sold and, when buyer LEAKS, i`ll find the real-reason, take pictures of exactly what was needed and it`ll be...your azz versus mine, HA!!!

[klott]

Hey John, why don't you put together a course for HI's and teach us these things, make you some money, make us smarter and help the consumers. What do you say?