something else to chew on

[john bubber]

been sharing some facts with ya buddy

The GHOUL `n FROGGY......overday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xBuY...related&search

[john bubber]

Selling a house with a leaky basement?
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/trib.../s_522669.html



Yep it sure is possible to weaken-undermine a footing/floor/wall with an inside drain tile system and...ahem, possible to hit fuel oil line.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...0327/1002/NEWS

[john bubber]

http://news.communitypress.com/apps/...313/1074/RSS11


IF....this lady had only 1 crack then that`s all she needed to repair....correctly. 50% or so of all injections of cracks in poured walls do NOT last, will re-leak so, good luck with that chtt.

quote of $21,000....lolol, i bet they were NOT going to hand dig ALL the way DOWN either, many who install inside systems 'SAY' they`ll dig all around the house BUT they actually only dig about 1'-18" deep. good luck with that dumb chtt too.

ummm, so.... people should hire an engineer for an evaluation? Hmmmm, well maybe. Maybe meaning, if the only companies in that city/state etc only do inside systems then YES! Hell yes.

there`s something not quite right imo about hiring/having an engineer to evaluate a waterproofing problem and then, designing the supposed correct fix. NO.....not saying all engineers can`t correctly define/diagnose the problem(s) but, they really aren`t basement waterproofing experts. They don`t DO-the-job, haven`t done-the-job for decades so imo it`s a stretch to list them as experts in this business. Will they GUARANTEE their evaluation and remedy design...huh? Answer that one for us please.

Engineer apparently states he has witnessed 'over repairs, under repairs, mis-repairs'. Well, so have we! Don`t get my old azz wrong, article does make some valid points about these wimpy-incompetent salespeople and `im glad he gets into it a bit, thank you Mr Montgomery.

But please don`t clump us all altogether, no no no. There are a few of us who`ve been out here for 30+ years doing the right thing, defining the problem(s) BEFORE a homeowner spends X amount.

Where it says.... 'Bottom line if you have a leaky basement, first call a licensed professional engineer to analyze etc' ...i would again say, ONLY if the homeowner can`t find an honest-competent Bsmt Waterproofing contractor! Because when they can find one, there`s no need to be out another $300 for evaluation and another $500-$1,000 for engineers design....chtt, often the homeowner can FIX their problem/crack for that amount OR LESS, IF IF IF IF IF they find an honest-competent waterproofing contractor and i`ll agree, its getting pretty difficult for some to find one.

How many engineers have personally done basement waterproofing, huh?
In THIS business, your NOT an expert if you haven`t done-the-job.
Think its easy? Ya think this is like painting or something? Come spend
a week with us, chtt, i`ll even pay ya but.....
your going to hand dig your ditch,your going to scrape and wire brush your part of the wall, your going to seal cracks etc with hydraulic cement then your gonna tar `n visquuen your part of wall and maybe suck a lil tar up your nostril and then have a little more fun, now its 90+ degrees and yer sweating your azz off, bugs crawling on yer head and we begin backfilling by hand, lets see how many can even make it through ONE G dang day or you`ll be sent packing, crying. Please don`t assume you know whats its all about, you don`t! You have to be at least a lil whacky/insane/crazy to DO this job and LAST for decades.
GOT MILK?

For the 9,000th time........Stay CLEAR of companies who only/most often want to install inside drain tile & baseboard systems, stay clear of the bs-salespeople!

And CHANGE the STUPID-basement waterproofing CODES would ya please! Quit talking about changing them and DO IT!

[john bubber]

got time for a few more pictures?

part of this house/walls were done before, about 4 years ago,still leaks and leaks alot, contractor long gone.

reasons why basement still leaks, they didn`t use hydraulic cement in/over all the cracks and in/over the gas line where it enters through wall and raisied-the-grade against openings in mortar joints, unprotected bricks and joints. The top 12-18" or so of the visqueen was loose/dangling off wall, probably didn`t brush/scrape excess dirt off wall before tarring or, when backfilling didn`t give a chtt when backfilling-placing dirt against top 18" of wall. It wouldn`t have killed them to backfill with all peastone(front wall) instead of getting cheap and backfilling with a mixture of landscaping stones and clay

http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...39b6722&SKU=HP



on side wall, peastone was used, appears front wall was done at one time by one contractor and side wall at a different time by another.

pics 16,17 side wall/around the corner, several openings...vertical crack, openings in mortar joints, opening next to window ledge and the window itself.

2,3,4,5....digging it down. Whoever did the job before used the trench for a bathroom, not kidding. Was one of worst mfr holes ever, a 6 1/2' toilet.

pic 7....... inside basement. you may be able to see outline of horizontal crack at top of 1st blocks off floor. Pretty easy to hide/conceal many cracks by patching them and then painting over them. Homeowner gets water onto floor at/along cold joint.

9....trying to hold back some peastone, deeper ya dig the more it runs in-caves in

10,11,12 on the front they had 4 courses of bricks underground, see openings in joints? Rain/water/moisture can certainly enter through joints, SEAL any-all bricks and mortar joints BEFORE raise the grade, this goes for drive/patio sides too where concrete will be up against bricks `n joints.

13,14,15 horizontal crack at top of first block off footing

18,19,20 openings/gaps where gas line enters basement wall.


some of these incompetent salespeople or owners will try and bs you, tell you all kinds of crap on why you are getting water at/along cold joint and 95% or so of time they are completely full of chtt. Trying to show ya why/how/where water-rain FIRST enters on the outside and YOU see it enter on floor near/next to bsmt wall.

Termites, spiders,ants, centipedes etc can easily enter your house/basement through these SAME cracks and other openings,so can radon gas.

How is ANY inside drain tile/baseboard system going to stop/eliminate/prevent further water `n insects from entering, huh? NOT gonna happen, ever.

[Larry D. Kage]

Originally Posted by john bubber

You have to be at least a lil whacky/insane/crazy to DO this job and LAST for decades.
GOT MILK?

I've got to agree with you Mark...

And you do such a fine job of sharing your expertise with those that care to read past some of the fluff. I for one appreciate it.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Originally Posted by lkage

I've got to agree with you Mark...

And you do such a fine job of sharing your expertise with those that care to read past some of the fluff. I for one appreciate it.

I'll agree with that, and John, here is one peastone to the other.

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[john bubber]

few more pic`s

http://photosmart.hpphoto.com./FilmS...baf3d0d&SKU=HP


first 6 pics, same job as last post-openings around window,ledge etc

pic 7 on, job in St Clair Shores

pic 8.... when observing exterior on estimate, sometimes its possible to see tar/asphalt at top of wall or on some bricks. This homeowner bought house, was not told about any prior waterproofing work,no paperwork,no guarantee..... leaked within the 1st year.

when one see`s tar along top of wall/bricks in one or more areas then its obvious someone (homeowner,friend,contractor etc) had/has problem and usually either had some waterproofing done or, dug down 1' or so and tarred top of crack(s), bricks etc. It doesn`t mean leak(s) was diagnosed or repaired CORRECTLY.

pic 9, while digging this area down one can see there is no asphalt, no hyd cement, no visqueen at top 12-18" of wall. Again, thats because they backfilled with mostly clay and some sand, as the clay `n sand settled over next few months it pulled down the asphalt thus, exposing the top part of the bsmt wall-cracks. Asphalt didn`t set/harden, didn`t have enough time to do its job and another reason to always use hydraulic cement in/over cracks/openings. If ya don`t and ya backfill w/clay-sand then its very likely tar/visqueen will be pulled down

pic 10 whoever did this job did NOT dig it all the way DOWN to footing and obviously didn`t waterproof the last 12" or so, big mistake. Ya might be able to see there is no asphalt above footing

pic 11 if you look at far LEFT, they also did not waterproof this area, instead opting to do half azz it, should be able to see there is nothing on far left of wall, sheesh, Gotta do job right.

12 corner crack on outside of hollow block

13 again, NO asphalt on top 1-2' or so of bsmt wall, it got pulled down before setting because they backfilled wih same soil and as soil settled it pulled down asphalt/visqueen

14,15,16 horizontal crack approx 8" up off footing. This crack is not visble inside basement, neither is that corner crack (pic 12)

have seen fairly often where someone, some contractor dug 1/3, 1/2 of the way down,this will not get-it-done. Vertical cracks extend all the way down, step cracks do too and often,step cracks turn into horizontal cracks which run entire length of bsmt wall, about 8"-12" up off footing.

some of these jobs were inspected by the city, so, just because a city inspects a waterproofing job does NOT-NOT-NOT mean it was done correctly. Pulling a permit and having city come by for 30-60 seconds to look at the stupid drain tiles doesn`t mean chtt, nothing! And homeowners, YOU are paying for the permits....if that doesn`t pizz you off yer either drinking a lil too much alcohol or maybe smoking too much weed, maybe too many prescription pills or a combo of all. Yeah, yer paying for a chtt job thats gonna leak again and paying the city who usually sends someone out for 1 minute who knows very little if anything about basement waterproofing, thats great, just great.

If they`d allow Capizzo, Downriver Waterprf`g, Stremersch,Clark or myself in on some of these bllchtt round table code discussions, it might get pretty dang entertaining.

[john bubber]

More picture`s of cracks on OUTSIDE of hollow block walls

Companies who only/most always install inside drain tile systems cannot stop/prevent further water from entering these cracks and, check out roots that cracked corner, inside systems don`t take roots off the outside of walls either.

http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...5281e76&SKU=HP


3,4,5,6,7 pic`s from inside basement, on this house one can see some hairline vertical,step and horizontal cracks. Pic 4 is the corner, doesn`t look so bad on inside huh. Homeowner gets water on floor along cold joint/cove. Some inside bozo`s will try and bs homeowner and tell em there is hydrostatic pressure under the floor and that`s why they get water along cold joint/cove or, the outside tiles must be broken/clogged...nonsense 95% of the time! Chtt, they get water along cold joint because water enters these cracks on outside, stays inside the blocks as it falls through the lower courses and eventually winds up in bottom course where it, comes out onto floor...sheesh.

8,9,10,11 see that fat daddy root near corner right up against wall where wall is cracked?

14,15 crack at corner on back wall, goes down a lil and toward side wall. It`s loose, can almost pull it out with fingers

16 pop it out with a screwdriver

17,18,19 side wall, there are 2 vertical cracks, one goes down about 5' and turns into a horizontal crack that runs entire length of side wall

20 sometimes one will notice a vertical or step crack in bricks....above cracked wall

22 used 50# of hydraulic cement to repair block/corner before applying thick asphalt and visqueen

Carbon fiber straps on inside of basement wall doesn`t take roots off outside of basement wall, you can`t stop/prevent further water from entering these cracks if you don`t waterproof them on the outside.

Under Pressure, Freddie-Bowie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdaHCLlBkWU


Bidi Bidi Bom Bom, Selena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbzEg...related&search=

[john bubber]

This is for those concrete contractors and city-inspectors that OK the work-permits who THINK its a great idea to drill holes through hollow blocks and/or bricks for rebar.

http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...74683e7&SKU=HP ....may have to click 'BACK' to view


1-6 hairline cracks and other openings allow water to enter hollow block wall

7,8 drain tile

9 left rerod in place,top of hollow block wall for pic, see it, huh? They were every 18-24" along back wall/concrete.

10,11,12 see others? their brilliant idea was to drill holes in basement wall so they could use wall to try and secure concrete slabs w/rebar in HOPES slabs wouldn`t settle, Blllchttt! Every slab SETTLED back toward house, idiots....stop that! I`d go back on concrete guy AND city for okaying this stupid shtt, let THEM pay for it, dammmmiiitttt!

13,14,15 then, Mr Builder backfilled with a shttload of concrete, bricks, wood and other assorted crap, loser! Haul that crap away ya cheap sob. Backfilling with all that LOOSE GARBAGE can CAUSE a cave-in as you`ll see in next pics

16.... look at EDGE of concrete where it was cut, see several inches of soil beginning to slide in? Huh?

17,18,19 about 1-2 minutes later, there she BLOWS!! This is ONE reason why this backfilled Crap-o-la needs to be hauled away. And why inexperienced labor should not be in ANY trench, that includes DIY`ers, better watch yer AZZ!

20 sob builder, ya lil cheap wimp, ok, all dug out again, waterproofed `n ready to backfill.

Pink Floyd..... 'one of these days, i`m gonna cut you into little pieces'

[john bubber]

http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...f0d381b&SKU=HP

.....after ya click link you might have to click 'BACK' on right side

waterproofed the front left corner and from right front corner under
the overhang, about 1/2 the side wall because....ummm, thats the
ONLY area`s where HO got water on floor inside. Got water on floor
NOT because all the dumb chtt goofball bs reasons many inside
water-diverting knotheads BS people about but because there
are/were CRACKS on the OUTSIDE of the hollow-block walls.

let me ask any inside knothead companies again, when you dipsticks
do an inside drain tile or baseboard system does it STOP water from
entering these outside cracks? NO

will any inside system take roots and expanding-contracting soil
pressure off the outside of a basement wall? NO

will any inside system help stop/prevent mold, efflorescence that is
due to moisture/water entering these cracks on the outside? NO

help stop radon and termites/other insects from entering? NO

INCOMPETENT IS what they REALLY are, you better believe it.

Yet another lil story fer ya`s......

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=7206503

unreal and INCOMPETENT!

...after trying to get contractors attention she turned to Call 11

...water is still.... 'coming in AND creating mold problems'

...article goes on to say, all of a sudden, NOW... 'lucky????? for
Williams the contractor that did-the-job is willing to help her out' ???

CHTT, after 2 years???

...'contractor CLAIMS the leak was caused when a wall collapsed and
her one year warranty ran out' !!!!

HEY, its quite possible their inside crap-ola system caused
the wall to collapse, dammmmmitttt!

Dummies..... this contractor ALREADY fk`d up! Waited 2 years to
get this contarctor back and NOW your gonna let them back in?????

OMFG!!!
MORE than several sandwiches short of a picnic.

[Brian E. Kelly]

You made more sense to me when you were Mark Anderson.

[Larry D. Kage]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

You made more sense to me when you were Mark Anderson.

Come on, Astro Boy, get a grip...

[john bubber]

Got milk?

[john bubber]

ummmmmm, Radon

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...ome-A2307.html


1. prevent gas from getting in

makes sense to me so, WATERPROOF the dang basement walls to
begin with, ya nimrods.....sheesh. And back fill em w/gravel, holy krist.


Inside drain tile systems create MORE g dang OPENINGS in the basement, wake up will ya please, lol.

Sure,for poured walls... when they install an inside drain tile system, they
leave a gap/space OPEN along the cove/cold joint...sure they do. And they don`t seal any of the openings/cracks in the walls either, yeah a few may inject a crack....good luck w/dat chtt holding up over a long period of time.

On block walls, they DRILL HOLES....thats right, drill freakin` holes in
the lower blocks and again, they do not waterproof any of the cracks/other openings on the Outside of the hollow block wall(s).

Add to this, a sump pump ALONE can/could allow MORE radon into a basement because ummm, its a HOLE in the floor lolol Some sump covers
are not exactly air tight.

Lets see, how does radon ENTER a house/basement?

http://www.epa.gov/radon/pubs/physic.html#Character

para 2.... 'radon gas can enter a home from the SOIL THROUGH cracks in
concrete floors and walls, floor drains, sump pumps, construction
joints, and tiny cracks or pores in hollow-block walls'

construction joints include the cold joint/cove. so these inside companies
are leaving these joints OPEN, just for YOU!

--How Radon Enters Your House
A.cracks in concrete slabs
B.spaces behind brick veneer walls
C.pores and cracks in concrete blocks the ones on the OUTSIDE!!!
D.floor-wall joints Bingo!!!
E.exposed soil, as in a sump duh yeah
F.weeping drain tile, if drained to open sump
G.mortar joints
H.loose fitting pipe penetrations ...etc

It`s through these same openings that water/moisture/insects, including
those g dang termites can and will enter.

Seems many just want to try and tackle leaky basements and radon from the inside, thats not whats best for the homeowners ya bunch of goofballs

Start waterproofing all new homes/basements will ya please, idiots!

[john bubber]

I Fought The Law/Bobby Fuller Four

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJxtCqE6EIs


Not only do these inside-system bums have tons of customer COMPLAINTS just within the last 36 months, appears they`ve been hiding some of the cash they made bs`g homeowners to install these water-DIVERTING systems.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local...s_alleged.html



Company was....Bsmt Doctor then apparently changed name to.......
Aqua Technology....same chtt different day.

Are YOU TIRED of BUSINESSESS and the GOV`T BS`ing YOU, screwing YOU outta yer money? I certainly am, g dammmmitttttttttt!

Quit taking it up the shooter....DO something about it! That is, unless you
like it there...ha!!!

B Doc and Aqua Tech.......
http://www.dc.bbb.org/report.html?na...ompid=80016583


Look, if yer one those people who believe the sales pitches in Tv/radio ads/Home Imp Talk Shows or in Yellow Page trash well then, your already bleeding from the back side, no one can help you. WAKE UP people!