something else to chew on

[john bubber]

-Everything you never wanted to know about cement block foundations and
were afraid to ask

http://www.newsweb.ca/2006/March_16/...undations.html


http://www.e-o-f.com/foundation.html

scroll down and see some of the scam/false claim companies, their contracts etc

[john bubber]

Pic #1.....See dimpled membrane?

Pic #3 ....No hydraulic cement to seal gaps where lines enter,
little if-any asphalt, apply thick asphalt not blcccttt
thin spray-on damproofing, sheesh

http://www.mcphersonpainting.com/prep.htm

See THIS crap ALL the time, where`s the builders brain and
how can shtt like this get passed by city inspectors,where
is their brain....huh?

Gotta seal shtt up man....DIRECTLY.
-a dimpled membrane doesn`t seal/waterproof gaps `n cracks
-raising `n sloping the STUUUUUPID grade doesn`t seal shtt up
-extending downspouts 4 MILES away from house/building
doesn`t seal shtt up.
-mudjacking slabs doesn`t seal shtt up
-interior drain tile systems doesn`t seal shtt up
-painting the inside walls doesn`t seal shtt up


Howard Cosell, down goes Frazier! down goes Frazier! down goes Frazier!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfr5MXl8llI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8XsxosRPV4
Freddie `n Queen 'it`s so EASY....but i can`t do it, so risky, but i
gotta chance it, so funny, there`s nothing to laugh about, my MONEY
that`s all YOU wanna talk about,i can see....what, you want me to be...
but i`m no fooooooooooooooooool, it`s in the lap of the Gods'

[john bubber]

Well, one can wonder what kind of 'deal' was prolly agreed to-
one of those 'you scratch my back i`ll scratch yours' $$$$$$$

-Reinforcer offers InterNACHI member discount....
'The Reinforcer will extend a $100 discount on a REFERRED customers
first installation' hmmmmm.

http://www.nachi.org/reinforcer.htm

Do i have this right Mr Nick? Huh?

Hi`s are referring carbon fiber strips to homeowners when they
have cracks/bowed wall?

What about water-moisture intrusion THROUGH the cracks on the
OUTSIDE of block wall? The wall(s) are....CRACKED! What, raise the grade
again? Longer downspouts?

What about further DETERIORATION of the blocks,of mortar joints?

Gotta stop water/moisture to stop further deterioration, thats accomplished
on the outside,not inside.

The same companies who install these straps mostly/only install
INSIDE drain tile or baseboard systems, so this is what NACHI
is recommending TO MOST HOMEOWNERS? A 2 part spending spree
...apply straps and if basement leaks have an inside system?

What about the most-likely CAUSE, most likely REASON to WHY the
wall(s) are cracked,bowed in first place...huh?

What, leave the expanding-contracting soil and/or roots and/or
porch footing and/or drive-patio slabs on the outside of wall,
don`t get rid of whats most likely causing the problem? Leave it there?
No to worry about possibilities of wall deteriorating,mold,insects entering
THROUGH the cracks that are....AHEM...STILL OPEN on outside.

Hhahahahahaha!!!

Why not ADD/give these FACTS to anyone reading yer article?
I`d hope you would want buyers/sellers to have all facts instead of this
PARTIAL view, guess SNOT.

And WHY would a HI organization, consisting of many,not all members
who aren`t experts on foundation work/leaky basements be
recommending certain supposed foundation repairs done by
certain supposed foundation experts?

So, homeowner`s should take an HI`s recommendation on
using carbon fiber straps versus an honest foundation/waterproofing
expert? Blllchhhtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt ttttttttttttttt!

Last Pic... "painting the block wall after installation virtually conceals
the Reinforcer strips". Thats great for potential buyers, shtt, i`d rather
KNOW the wall was excavated,any soil pressure/roots etc was relieved,
wall was WATERPROOFED than to be told how lovely the paint job
looks and conceals the strips.

Walls can,HAVE,WILL Bow in or cracks WIDEN.....inbetween steel beams,
inbetween carbon strips when the CAUSE(s) aren`t addressed.
No, not ALL the time,not every time....sometimes.

http://www.nachi.org/reinforcer.htm
2nd para....the Reinforcer helps to eliminate expanding, shifting, cracking and bowing
'helps to eliminate'? 'helps'...and how much 'help' would engineer state?
It DOESN`T Eliminate pressure`s on outside, Blccht.
And again,it doesn`t waterproof the cracks on the outside,don`t care about that huh?

3rd para..'these strips are least intrusive and most effective'. Compared to what?
least intrusive and most effective versus what?
'most cost efficient manner'.....well shtt, how much for 8-10+ straps AND an Inside
drain tile system, gimmie a number please. Many will be sold an inside drain tile system
with these straps! Add it up, how much? Versus excavating a wall,waterproofing it and
backfilling it correctly. shtt, say a wall is 36', thats a one day job approx $3,200 ish


Can hardly wait for some members wonderful responses,
some have wanted my azz off this board for a LONG time lol
Well, Mikey Holmes people kicked my HONEST azz off their board,i`ve
lost tons of sleep over that and my hair has fallen out plus,
my balls ache, HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i gotta go take a big dump now

lets see, when one clicks Reinforcer link and wants INFO on
Reinforcer SPECS,Design and Analysis, can`t get shtt.
Thin as a DIME huh, yeah.
http://www.thereinforcer.com/pdf/Cha...ifications.pdf

http://www.thereinforcer.com/pdf/Cha...20Analysis.pdf

give us password please

[john bubber]

-Vid,House Inspectors-Buyers Beware
some giving questionable advice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54w-G...eature=related

The one lady is out $100,000+ and some here don`t give 2 shtts
about info/links posted on Basement Waterproofing `n Foundation work?
Keep giving that knothead advice to raise/slope grade,longer downspouts
and that will solve most leaky basements.

-Vid,Global TV Home Inspection Report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_XPA...eature=related


-Vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfuhy...eature=related
"Inspecting the Inspector"...Phoenix... "Alot of people come and go
in and out of this business...because it`s EASY" Got Milk?
The HI says roof not part of inspection. And with finished basements
they can`t inspect the basements walls. 2 of the MOST important
parts of the house! I know Mr Duffy doesn`t pull this shtt.

Then the one HI says.."We do miss items sometimes" Well then mister,
when you miss things you`ll be missing that inspection FEE,got that?
Rather have ya miss a stupid loose door knob then roof,crack in basement
wall etc.

-Vid,Realtor Referred Inspector
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1wSuuDjFug

-Home Inspection Warning,Confessions of a Realtor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kGJr...eature=related

-Vid, Realtors Withholding Information About Grow Ops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW5gV...eature=related

[rwand1]

Bubba

I think you have had too much coffee. You're on Tuesdays words, and its only Sunday!

Why don't you tell us how you feel about home inspectors.

Does the Lord know you take his name in vain so often?

[john bubber]

Hey Ray,

What do you give 2 shhts about the Lord `n my azz?
Go inspect some handrails or door knobs or something,
start your own thread and try `n help educate some
on whatever the fk it is you know best.

[john bubber]

-Backfilling foundation walls

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.c...=138572&page=1

....pea fkg stone, not same crap, not 1/2 same crap.gravel is best but
even gravel will most likely settle a little and we`ve seen sand continue
to settle even after soaking it.


http://www.infoforbuilding.com/Drain...h_grade_N.html

2nd para...foundation walls..."it can be EASILY damaged by the FORCE
of dirt slamming against it OR by the WEIGHT of the excavation MACHINE
if it gets too close to the foundation wall". Right on the money!!!!!

And so many still use EQUIPMENT right along the house/walls to compact,
not good.

"If the fill around the foundation is not COMPACTED, it will invariably
SETTLE...."

Even if the soil is compacted its going to settle a bit more. Especially
if they backfill w/same shtt soil that was excavated so,slabs could
settle,brick pavers,bushes could settle as soil settles a bit more.

[john bubber]

Injections? Permanent? No, so sorry.

Have said, tried to show that about 50% of all-injections will RE-LEAK
...yeppers.

They`ll re-leak for several reasons,won`t get into em all

Here`s some PIC`s of POURED -walls, cracks,leaky holes and
attempts to repair them from INSIDE, by a contractor or builder.
Got MILK?
http://web.mac.com/deanteaster/spong...o_Gallery.html

This guy does injections of poured wall cracks, some are better and
actually care about what they do versus other companies who
aren`t very good or don`t give a chtt or don`t take the time
when doing injections.

Point is.......about 50% of all injections RE-fkg-LEAK!
Injections don`t take any pressure`s off exterior of wall,don`t
provide excellent drainage along a wall, its why a few of us
DON`T do `EM!

Can they work sometimes? Do they come in handy sometimes,
like under a porch? Yeah BUTT-ski...if/when a crack under a porch
was caused by soil pressure agst the wall and/or, the footing agst-
leaning on the wall then ya gotta REMOVE/lessen the dang CAUSE.
If you don`t then its very possible the crack will widen,wall push in,
injection RE-Leaks.

Pic 1....see what he says/knows about those companies who place
plastic or vinyl sheeting against a wall. See what quite a few homeowners
DO have BEHIND this sheeting after Inside system was installed.
Some will have MOLD, efflorescence,crack wideing or even wall
pushing in. This sheeting HIDES/conceals these things.

Couple pics.. see carbon fiber straps? Ummm, from viewing pics,
imo there was NO need for these straps. Yeah yeah, sometimes hard to
tell and see everything ya need to see but certainly doesn`t appear
to be any bowing, wall movement that would call for need of straps.

Most CAUSES of cracks widening,bowing are on the outside and its
best to remove/lessen the causes/pressure from the dang outside.
Doing anything on inside doen`t remove/lessen exterior pressures.

Bentonite injections etc doesn`t do diddley either.

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=1797522

HO has leaky crack, what can they do?
CO. answers....they have TWO options.....
First is a POLYURETHANE injection. They say it gives a COMPLETE
Seal through-entire-crack,inside out.

Then....THEY say...OOPS, we have found over TIME the urethane
SHRINKS and the crack LEAKS again.
Well which is it g dammmmittt!

Hmmm, well common sense would say it isn`t much of an 'option'.
One minute they say it gives a complete-seal and then it re-leaks.

THEN option 2....they say they have a NEW Breakthrough method!
The new repair method they say, eliminates messy,unreliable epoxy
or urethane injections, how wonderful!

They go on to say it`s PERMANENT and works every time.
It does HUH? Have they used it for 10-20 years? They say its NEW.
Hmmm.... 'permanent and works every time' eh?

Well OK then, if THEY say so its gotta be true. Just like option one,
complete seal right?

AMAZINGLY....NO mention of another OPTION! Dumb azz.
That would be exterior waterproofing of the stupid crack!!!

G.C....since people from Poland are called 'Poles'....how come people
from Holland aren`t called 'Holes'?

[john bubber]

http://www.irbdirekt.de/daten/iconda/06089010294.pdf

-Intro
'Epoxy injection repairs of alive cracks in concrete are prone to
deterioration by fatigue resulting from the expansion/contraction
of concrete.......

-Past studies
....'large number of studies been reported, however,most of them
reported only the effect of repair using UN-exposed specimens based
on SIMPLE testing...'

false claims from those who state all their injections are... 'permanent'
or 'work every time'

Steve Martin/Don`t Trust Whitey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYSLN...eature=related

Eagles/Lying eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Etj2hkvC9w

Steve Martin/Special Purpose
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAjPL...eature=related

Steve Martin/Thermos song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYM5r...eature=related

G Dub bloopers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBm5ZSWbD14

[john bubber]

Amherst NY Bldg Dept
prepared by U.S.Army Corps of Engineers
foundation movement,causative factors

http://www.amherst.ny.us/pdf/buildin...S_section3.pdf

among other things,
3.2.1 Symptoms, last paragraph
'Excessive lateral pressure can affect the overall integrity of a house......
....like other major fractures, water and pests can easily enter the
basement...'

some Photos
http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/missio...rst/index.html

using carbon fiber straps,wall anchors etc does not eliminate exterior
soil pressure. When a block wall bows in there will be cracks on outside.
Go ahead and place 1,500 carbon fiber straps on inside, cracks still
OPEN outside.

Allowing water to continue to enter through cracks,loose parging etc
doesn`t exactly aid the structural integrity of the wall in coming months,
years.

http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmana...p?a=324782&z=2

-Looking for the cause
Evidence shows a tremendous volume of rainwater got into the city`s
sanitary sewer system....
The sewer system is supposed to be a closed system....rainwater got in
and caused the system to overrun,which led to backups in at least
106 homes..

Water got into the sewers any number of ways--through leaky manholes,
cracked pipes or improperly connected private drains

Any of those pipes--public or private--can crack,be infiltrated by roots
or develop leaky joints that grow to admit rainwater.

One wonders how many of these HO`s,and others throughout country,
get bs`d by inside waterdiverting co`s/salespeople when these long-
heavy rains occur.Many have not,do not take TIME to determine/locate
actual problem(s).

Instead, many simply bs homeowners when called for estimates.
'Oh Mr & Mrs Navin Johnson, you have a hydrostatic problem that only
our inside drain tile or baseboard system can solve' CHTT like dat!

And some will add, tell homeowners 'Oh...that vertical crack you have
is a result from this hydrostatic problem and you need our piers,carbon-
straps,wall anchoring system soon...before your wall caves in!'

One stinky-lousy,all-american,red-white and blue bclllhttt story.

Looney Tunes intro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x07BOja7eog

'i like guys who watch alot of football' -Perfect Girlfriend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ3Wv...eature=related

more need to exercise http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trahl...eature=related
got MILK?

[john bubber]

Never know where you`ll find good info
-Clarifying damp
http://iafrica.com/diy/repairs/831187.htm


Pic`s,scroll down a bit
http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/missio...rst/index.html

Several inside fixes tried here....
pic 3. lateral pressure causing wall to bow in (pilasters failed to brace wall)

http://www.amherst.ny.us/pdf/buildin...S_section3.pdf

Foundation movement,causative factors
suggests foundation movement may result from a wide range of factors
which can include:
1.compression of a soft layer....
2.shrinkage and swelling of clays...
3.soil softening
4.compression of filled ground
5.frost heave
6.variations in groundwater level
7.erosion
8.nearby construction or excavation
9.chemical attack on foundations
10.collapse of mine workings...
11.vibration

3.2 Lateral Wall Pressure
Four sources likely contribute to lateral pressures on basement walls in Amherst:
1.pressure from soil weight
2.pressure from soil swell
3.hydrostatic pressure
4.pressure from frost


http://www.jensenengineers.com/FAQs.htm scroll down a bit Q. 5
Q- I called several contractors and each one proposed a different repair plan...WHY???

A) Repair contractors employ ESTIMATORS....using TITLES such as
'Certified Foundation Inspector' or 'Foundation specialist'........
Typically, these estimators will ONLY PROPOSE the type of repair the
company regularly offers, IRRESPECTIVE of YOUR situation.....'

Indeed they do, got MILK?

House built on a slab is a tad different from a basement wall

http://www.geodynamicsdfw.com/Archiv...n%20Repair.htm

down to.....
-ABOUT PIERS
'If a properly designed pier is founded in a stable strata (if) ...
then the foundation cannot experience any further settlement, IN the
AREA of the pier (settlement,NOT lateral soil pressure)
However, if the pier is based in a bearing strata that is subject to
MOVEMENT, then there is a potential for continued foundation movement
since the pier itself may move.

If this latter condition occurs, it usually occurs because the pier is based
in the zone where the moisture content of the soil still varies from changes
in climatic conditions (rain,no rain etc). Therefore, unless a pier is firmly
placed in a stable bearing strata, then that pier has the potential to move
as the soil expands and/or contracts.'

Serinda Swan-Poker anybody? Got Milk? Woof woof!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuDEl...eature=related

I put Jill Wagner, errr Mercury on my list Woof woof!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7eT9...eature=related

Sha la la la la la my lady, in the sun with your __ undone, or hair,yeah hair works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJa8Ooh6QF4 Thunder Island

Maybe Nick could get one of `em on Nachi TV, talk about their oven mitts

[john bubber]

-Gilberton issues warning
anyone with a sump pump or downspout connected to the sewer system
will pay. http://www.republicanherald.com/site...d=532624&rfi=6


-Homeowners can sue builders over defects
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/app...01018/0/NEWS09


-Aurora resident wants city to pay for home repairs
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=123585

HO works for engineering firm....researched history of home....
believes house was built improperly on poor soil and what may have been
former wetlands. He may never know for sure, G M Development which
built the subdivision is no longer in existence and city has failed to
produce certain documents associated w/the construction of home.


-Neighbors sue for damage done in shopping center construction http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com...sgrand.ii1.txt
...pounding,nearby construction-excavation. (vibrations) could cause crack(s), yes indeedy.
http://www.amherst.ny.us/pdf/buildin...S_section3.pdf
'foundation movement...wide range of facors including'
1.compression of a soft layer...
2.shrinkage and swelling of clays...
3.soil softening
4.compression of filled ground
5.frost heave
6.variations in groundwater level
7.erosion
8.NEARBY CONSTRUCTION or EXCAVATION.....got milk?
9.chemical attack on foundations
10.collapse of mine workings...
11.VIBRATIONS...got milk?


-No certain link between blasting and damage to homes....?
http://www.dailyfreeman.com/site/new...id=74969&rfi=6


-Audits can detect leaks,suggest fixes
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1200...googlenews_wsj
.....'Realtor groups oppose the plans, saying they will slow home sales...'

-Bite from conenose bug can bring Chagas`disease
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../HO9IUF59H.DTL


Won`t Get Fooled Again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ufa-q7DcWM

Seasons of Wither http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOEgwMQ-R2s

[john bubber]

Basement Insulation, How Important is Basement Heat Loss?
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/keep_heat_in/.../chapter_5.cfm

....'there is also a lot of air leakage through basement windows and
penetrations,through cracks and at the top of the foundation wall'


How to insulate outside of basement
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/keep_heat_in/...hapter_5_1.cfm

1. Digging the trench
--Never dig below the bottom of the footings
the excavated dirt can be stored on a tarp....at least 24" away

if it`s sand and you wanna save a lil cash and backfill the sand then
keep it a looong way AWAY from the open trench.
Sand is going to settle more than gravel so keep that in mind,
installing pavers etc could settle in coming months as backfill settles.

Do not leave trenches open any longer than absolutely necessary,
don`t fk around,get the job done and get the fk out.

How to insulate inside the basement
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/keep_heat_in/...hapter_5_2.cfm


Patriots-Giants Tecmo Super Bowl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48y5KD3SPIA

[john bubber]

Video- Bozo`s Big Top Waterproofing
http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/fl....2.332560.html

Placed membrane against inside walls
Post hole digging huh? lololol Yeah, real 'professional'

Water STILL entering ya knothead! What ya think will be BEHIND
that wonderful membrane?

Question, did the city inspector actually OK this?

They say... 'homeowner has sooo many cracks'. Well, whats best for
her, whats best for STOPPING water from fkkk`g entering the wall,
whats best for RELIEVING lateral soil pressure, whats best for the
NEXT homeowner would have been to remove the soil, yeah,haul the
CHTT away,waterproof the wall(s) and backfill with gravel and NOT
place goofy-stupid membrane CHTT on inside.

Post hole digging?
Placing the soil on the bank, then backfilling same chtt?
Professional,expert? If YOU say so, lots O luck skip!!

http://chicago.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx? site=46&bbb=0654&firm=86000908 <--Quickie
membership revoked due to unanswered complaints

$3,000-4,000 project? Chtt, MANY will charge $6,000-$17,000

Is Ace now the place with the helpful waterproofing man? wtf

Hydraulic cement works best on EXTERIOR, knock knock!
http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareCon...id=32096979912
IF you wanna fart around inside then...V-the crap outta the crack-poured only.
Ya gotta get in there,open it up,may last for awhile if ya do it right.
pics 6-11, wall was recently cleaned and then painted....
have to STOP the water from entering to stop mold,efflorescence and
an inside drain tile or baseboard system WON`T help ya here.



Take the money and run/Steve Miller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-HlF7pLNWM

Tommy Boy explains what happens when you use the other-guys brake pads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AaN0...eature=related <--check out
little kid that gets ejected when tossed over cliff


Not Fragile/Bachman-Turner Overdrive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceaWe...eature=related

[john bubber]

Injections in cracks of poured basement walls
....Recap
Add this link to other injections-links in posts #203 and 204,
the Web-mac,Wbay and irb links

http://www.wes.army.mil/REMR/pdf/cs/mr-3-9.pdf
-Applications and Limitations
'Epoxy injection has been successfully used in the repair of cracks
in buildings,bridges,dams and other types of concrete structures.
HOWEVER, unless the crack is dormant (or the CAUSE of the
cracking is REMOVED,thereby making the crack dormant),
it will probably RECUR, possibly somewhere else in the structure...'

That`s wonderful, just what most homeowners want to hear...
or find out,especially the buyer. Permanent huh? Have it your way.

The 'cause' is often the soil, lateral pressure. Roots can sometimes be a factor
as can a porch-footing or driveway-patio slab(s). See Amherst NY link,
or Fairfax county,Yoder,Vila links.

In the Wbay link, the Inside fix Co yaps about how great their
2 injection options are, the 'NEW' method is supposedly PERMANENT,
will never leak, thats wonderful!

Web.mac link has pic`s of failed injections.

irb link says pretty much same chtt as army link.

Put it all together and the use of the word 'permanent' doesn`t
exactly ring true now does it. "Works every time" huh? Blcchhtt!
Just more false claims. Why can`t the rookies just speak the truth,
sometimes it`ll work,last for awhile and sometimes it won`t,it could
re-leak on next decent rain or two.It`ll cost ya around $350-600+
to try, find out. Keep those fingers crossed,don`t be eyeballing the
hottie next door and, pray from time to time.

Ok T Carter, give the world your expert basement waterproofing
opinion on this one, can hardly wait. What? Just have homeowners
put in your trench/french drain, right? Don`t waterproof the crack
or loose parging right? Sell the house like that right? Don`t let that
ego get in the way again, just answer the simple questions.

T C, your method is like the 'other-guys' brake pads.listen to TOMMY BOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AaN0...eature=related

The Dave Clark Five/Over and Over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM65YbXoCI8

Louis Armstrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQk2LtK680w