something else to chew on

[john bubber]

Careful when adding a rasied patio,concrete over existing concrete,or adding soil etc along/against basement walls. http://www.helium.com/items/1022235-...a-rasied-patio
John F Mann S E

"Severe damage can be caused if a raised patio is installed along a foundation wall..."

"Raised patios using paver blocks are supported on the soil that is placed on top of existing ground(grade) along the foundation wall.This additional soil can cause large increase in lateral pressure that can severly damage the wall"

"Lateral pressure from soil "backfill" against a foundation wall varies with the square of the backfill height. Therefore, even what may be considered relatively small increases in backfill can cause large increases in lateral pressure against-the-wall. Additional WEIGHT (of anything) placed on top of soil backfill causes additional lateral pressure against the foundation wall"

"Damage to foundation walls due to increased lateral soil pressure is most frequent w/block walls...excessive lateral soil pressure generally causes long horizontal cracks in mortar joints...short vertical and horizontal "step" cracks are also seen".

Adding soil? ...old link, gotta pay to view now
http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/opinions/a2078-05.pdf

They added soil along wall. "While water accumulation in the basement reduced drastically since the swale was filled with soil (no, didn`t stop/prevent further water), the WEIGHT of the fill soil when wet caused the foundation wall to buckle....engineer found that the basement wall bowed inward and blocks in the wall were cracked"

A few pics of another misdiagnosed leaky basement which led to unnecessary installation of a sump pump and an inside system which has NOT stopped/prevented water-moisture from entering exterior cracks,loose-cracked parging etc and so hasn`t stopped efflorescence,mold/mildew on basement walls...Got MILK? http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailsh...3/t_=122238283

--House 4 SALE
First 6 pics.....took many more but suckers didn`t come out
3 of the 4 walls have exterior cracks,loose-cracked parging and its through those exterior openings where the freakin water first-enters into hollow blocks and causes alot of the efflorescence etc (some openings above grade too,mortar joints etc).

The efflorescence/mold-mildew will continue,get worse because the dummies didn`t stop the water/moisture problem, the wetting of the blocks, mortar joints,parging tec.

Pic 2.... That is one reason why they placed a sheeting against the basement wall. It HIDES/CONCEALS the real freakin condition of the wall, sure it does! It`ll also hide cracks that can WIDEN or wall bowing in.
Walls have been PAINTED, lolol, great! Did painting em stop anything? Hell no, if anything the paint can also hide/conceal some SHTT on the walls, like efflorescence,mold....wonderful. In my g dammm book, all this is fkg fraud.

The $10,000 that was spent on the inside loser-system should have been spent of FIXING the real-problems that are outside.

Pic 6....broke up perimeter inside floor and put in inside track shtt, big g dammm deal, will do nothing to stop water from entering from the outside

-House 4 Sale...repo
Next house...again, took many more pics, time to take out the 20lb sledge on these Kodak cameras
Pic 8 some of the 40 or so open-leaky rod holes...some allowing ALOT of water in. There are 6 cracks in 3 of the bsmt walls.
Pic 11 openings around `n under side door, repairing these above grade openings are just as important as waterproofing cracks,rod holes etc...per keeping water,insects outta house-basement.
G Dang bee hive just inside side door, right where lock box is ,wonder-fkg-ful! Bees and wasps flying around inside stupid door LOL, you might be able to see about 5-6 of the little bastards....DEAD...on the step.
Bet some of you HI`s have had this wonderful experience, next time i may bring 357 Ruger fer some target practice.... i hate these lil mfrs.

Pink Floyd/Shine on You Crazy Diamond
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7ruyysAko

[john bubber]

How water 'enters' your home....last time i checked there are 3 ways,not 5
Video http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...LSjeiCCA&hl=en

Again, other than leaky plumbing fixtures,condensation etc....
-Water can enter a home through ABOVE ground openings
-Water can enter a home through basement wall/below grade openings
-Water can enter homes from underneath a basement floor/openings in floor

So, the first two ways water enters homes, an Inside System won`t stop/prevent water from entering through exterior openings.
Water entering up through a basement floor (cracks etc) can be due to a blockage that can often be freed by snaking through storm trap cleanout, have many homeowners who will attest to this, they ONLY needed an exp`d-honest PLUMBER.

Sometimes water backing up in basement is city`s problem... http://www.sccmua.com/backup.htm HO is responsible for the lateral line from house to street, after that its on the city. Illegal connections=FRENCH DRAINS,sump pumps and other flood-CONTROL systems to the sanitary
-Sewer Laterals
http://www.bwsc.org/Customer_Service...er_lateral.htm

Others times,upon flooding err heavy rains or spring thaws, water entering up through floor cracks etc can be due to an existing sump pump that needs an adjustment or need for new pump or power went out and there was no power back up.

And some back ups can be due to the 'tile that empties into the sump pit' is clogged and needs to be snaked.

Still other back ups/water on basement floor may be due to a NEED to drill/create openings/holes in PIT-SIDEWALL, up high, just below thickness of basement floor to allow water under the floor to get into the stupid pit FASTER, rather than backing up-accumulating under the floor and then rising up through floor cracks etc. Ya may have to try this when the home/basement has NO storm trap cleanout.

The KEY is....detecting,locating where the fk the problem(S) is, sometimes ya gotta have patience `n take the TIME to diagnose the problem correctly INSTEAD of calling some waterproofers err should i say 'water-diverters' over who will MOST LIKELY talk you into an Inside System that you MOST LIKELY do NOT NEED, thats right! Got MILK?

Yeah, they`ll tell ya a good blcchtt 'story', one of em is that ya have a hydrostatic pressure problem under the floor and this can only be fixed with THEIR system....nonsense,bllchttt,incompetence and OFTEN FRAUD.

Check it out...you could actually have a 'water-accumulation problem' OR as THEY say/TWIST....a 'hydrostatic pressure problem' BUT....as i say, this accumualtion of water under the stuuuupid floor is most often due to a basement BACK UP and you`ll need to snake or screw around w/the sump pump or get a power back up fer the dumb sump. Don`t forget, it could be CITY`s problem as to why water backed up in yer basement.

Don`t get blccchttt`d when ONLY you get/see water along the wall-floor joint,cold joint,cove.... many of these Inside-jokers tell ya same old blcchtt story but very often, the reason ya see water along wall-floor joint is due to EXTERIOR cracks and other openings.Bet some got bs`d and had inside system installed here, and get bs`d elsewhere when heavy rains/flooding occurs, OLD link http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmana...p?a=324782&z=2 ...."LOOKING For the CAUSE"
"Evidence showed a tremendous amount of rainwater got into the CITYS sanitary sewer system....and CAUSED the system to overrun which LED to back-ups in at least 106 homes"

Some peeps can get moisture on floor or along floor cracks due to...No vapor barrier under the floor, may have nothing to do with any back up. Some have THIN floors, 1-2" thick/thin...some will need to pour a 4" floor,sheesh. Some have homes built where they shouldn`t have been built, on very wet,sloppy azz,cheap land....take that up with them and developer/city.

HO calls yesterday, says several Inside companies have told him he needs inside system w/sump....he has paneling against walls, only sees/gets water along floor-wall joint. To make long story shorter, he takes couple pieces of panleing down, finds a vertical crack in poured wall that was previously INJECTED,sees mold on bottom of 2 x 4`s, he runs water-test on outside of this area, gets water in at wall-floor joint within 2 minutes. He also ssees open mortar joints above cracked wall....at least a 2 part problem that requires dog shtt on the inside as he was being told....MISLED! Fk`g scamming,cheating,incompetent sob`s. SUE these mfs will ya please,sheesh!
They just tried to fk you outta many thousands!

So A-B-C Dry, does your method "STOP" water from "ENTERING" cracks and other exterior openings? NO siree babe, so sorry. Maybe ya shouldn`t make it "APPEAR" that it does, its very misleading,false claims. Do ya recommend to homeowners on estimates to snake storm trap clean out or snake tile that empties into pit or drill holes in pit-sidewall...HUH?


Mannequin/Kim Cattrall, Do You Dream About Me <-- from around 2:40-3:00 mark Got Milk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agxwO...eature=related

[john bubber]

http://www.e-o-f.com/foundation.html#SCAMS

-Every time water passes through a fault it weakens the structural integrity of the wall.
-The trouble with leaving an open gap (wall-floor) is that it violates a slew of 'soil gas emissions rules'. Rules are designed to stop methane,radon and other gases from escaping into the living space........

And umm, Inside Systems sure as shtt leave a gap, a space OPEN betwwen the wall `n floor. Many will also leave the bottom of a vertical crack open and with block walls, they`ll drill holes in bottom courses `n leave `em open.
http://www.bondedwaterproofing.com/french_drain5.htm ...'floor is recemented...with a one inch expansion allowance (GAP) left between wall and floor'

http://www.americanbasement.com/waterproof.html
floor is recemented .....a full or partial 3/4" gap will be left between new cement and foundation wall...(required by many towns) LOLOLOL (gap is wider on stone foundations). Great,wonderful.

http://www.cthandiman.com/more-info-bsmts-faq.html
Q) Will it fix leaks from wall cracks too?
A) ....weep holes are drilled at base of wall keep blocks dry (wrong sorry)
If cracks in poured walls continue to leak, the water is trapped as it trickles down behind the real dry system

http://www.housing.gov.bc.ca/buildin...asExcerpts.pdf


This lady had B Dry install an inside system, STILL LEAKS. Ran water on outside, ground level, comes THROUGH exterior cracks in block wall and enters inside along wall-floor joint. They drilled many HOLES on inside, along bottom courses, ya won`t see em in these pics/drywall. http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailsh...6/t_=122238283

What ya can see is mold, first 4 pics. Its there on drywall because water is coming through wall and on inside through holes they drilled and you`ll get x-amount of water vapor between drywall and block wall.

Different house....pics 5-10. Took many pics,sob didn`t come out but, ya may be able to see beams in pic 5. Block walls have beams inside, spaced approx every 2-3'. Vertical,step cracks are widening,and so are bricks on top of wall in pic 8.

HO was NOT told (and they didn`t see/know about them,why they were put in) about these 20-25 beams, been in house for 1 year.
Pics 9,10...neighbors house,about 20' away.

Good luck and happy water-diverting!

[John J. Aprile]

Hey bubber...total reno is dragging, there's no question on the need for the 3 sides (semi) clearly visible once excavated. Combination of hand and machine digging was used to just under 6'no tiles visible. Tiles to be used are plastic perforated(black) with sock, membrane is to be a black plastic bubble wrap, not sure on that one. Your Visqueen membrane after the mastic, can you post photo please? Can you also explain why "washed gravel" for fill?

http://www.e-o-f.com/foundation.html#TILES

Where he describes: "The yellowish cloth is the membrane. The black stuff is the bitumen (or as God calls it “pitch”). It is the combination of these two that create a waterproof membrane."

I'm reading it as if the membrane is sandwiched between the 2 layers of mastic. Needs to know proper name of membrane and is the styrofoam necessary?

[john bubber]

6' deep? We wouldn`t use the black plastic perf.....yeah, sometimes it may 'hold up/withstand' the weight-of-backfill that`ll be on top of it and other times it will not....your house of course.

Read --Selecting Perf pipe
http://www.oxfordplasticsinc.com/perforatedpipe.htm

And 'sometimes'....the exterior drain tile is placed a bit lower,depends who puts the shtt in. Just saying that 'might' be why ya don`t see it/any. Sure, there may not be any too.

Here is a lil example of the strength of plastic perf drain tile http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailsh...6/t_=122238283
See? lol Thats 200 lbs. Sure it`ll help black plastic tile if ya tuck it in/build up soil on its SIDE fer a lil added support, still cheap `n can still collapse.

Any cracks,loose-cracked parging or any other openings i`d highly recommend ya use/apply hydraulic cement before any asphalt/mastic/tar `n visqueen,yup. http://www.quikrete.com/ProductLines...pCementPro.asp

Gibraltor National used ta make hyd cement, they called it 'D_ke'.

Following are some foundation/asphalt/mastic etc coatings....don`t have time to zero in on the THICKEST ones but those are best. Would NOT use any 'watery-thin-damproof' coating but like i say, yer house.

http://www.karnakcorp.com/pro_rp_ar.html

http://www.dewittproducts.com/

http://www.henry.com/

http://www.alconvc.com/capsystems.htm


What creates a waterproof membrane is the parging (usually already applied to block walls, repair any any loose-cracked shtt) and hydraulic cement in/over any cracks/openings including any bricks and mortar joints that will be below grade/ground-level, then the mastic/roofing cement/tar...call it what ya like, then the visqueen (6 mil or+) put right on/against and over the mastic, it STICKS to the mastic, and try `n push it/smear the visqueen on the mastic.

If yer gonna backfill w/some-most-all garbage soil and/or equipment then ya better use a THICK membrane against the visqueen/mastic/wall, i would NOT backfill w/any crap soil, asking for problems...no shtt. Go to all that trouble/all THAT WORK and backfill w/some-alot of same soil?? No way but again,yer house

Backfilling w/most-all gravel-peastone etc....
6th,6th,6th,6th,6th PARAGRPAH is why...
http://www.dwightyoderbuilders.com/concrete.cfm

And Amherst NY/U S Army Corps Eng link.... http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/Amhers...st-2005-01.pdf

3.2 Lateral Wall Pressure
Four SOURCES likely contributed.....
1. Soil Weight
2. Soil Swell
3. Hydrostatic pressure (lateral-horizontal Hydrostatic pressure)
4. Pressure from frost

3.2.6 Summary
Clay rich soils OFTEN present LONG term problems as BACKFILL materials.....Beyond the obvious.....CLAY backfills require SIGNIFICANTLY stronger basement walls to WITHSTAND horizontal earth pressures

3.4.5 Backfill
As cited by Diaz 1994, LATERAL pressure problems are EXASPERATED by USING UNSUITABLE Backfill, usually from ON-SITE EXCAVATIONS......

3.4.11.1 Modeling Results......GRANULAR backfills can REDUCE lateral pressures.....top-wall support is CRITICAL

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...ion-A2095.html
See para 1....para 2...Coarse-grained,WELL-DRAINED soils like sand and gravel apply the LEAST LATERAL LOAD, while fine silts and clays,especially if saturated, apply more....
Para 4....the water pressure against a basement when the SOIL is THOROUGHLY SOAKED is called..... hydrostatic pressure. It can FORCE moisture through pores in the basement wall and even CRACK or BUCKLE a WALL ITSELF....
Para 9 Compaction......in practice,sands and gravels densify or compact more readily than silts or clays, creating LESS of this SPRINGLIKE FORCE-- one more good reason to USE THEM for BACKFILLING.

Got Milk?

Tommy Boy shows ya the diff between his brake pads and..the other guys brake pads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AaN0...eature=related

[john bubber]

Pic`s http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailsh...6/t_=122238283

Block walls, HO says he has 2 leaky areas

Pics 2,3,4,5 side wall ...sill is cracked and can easily see top of basement wall is cracked and basement window is also a problem.
6,7 the INSIDE of basement wall....step crack.
Best be careful when there is drywall,paneling against wall(s) OR, ya see that an inside-system was installed and they placed their bright-wall-paneling against part or all of a wall......heads up.

Pic 12.....back wall, HO gets water along floor-wall joint and says some of the blocks get damp,up high. Efflorescence `n shtt high and low.
8-11 is outside of pic 12. Several problems...one is basement window and he has openings around 1st floor window, also has quite a few open mortar joints.
16 was a nice lil hive, come on in everybody there`s plenty of room for all!
17,18 if ya have gutters ya may wanna CLEAN EM, sheesh.

-Next House, Poured wall

19,20 how about some MOLD BEHIND the drywall....nice.
There is a diagonal crack thats starts up by basement window and goes down towards this corner behind insulation, someone injected it, knowbody said diddley to this HO, no paperwork....where is the SUPPOSED LIFETIME GUARANTEE baby? Injections last forever eh? Every injection is permanent and all that other crap right? Buncha shtt man. There are also open mortar joints just above grade. Insulation has MOLD on it too, ya lil water-diverters.

21,22 injected vertical crack,barely make it out, been patched over w/cement and been painted
23 open rod hole, has at least several others
24 outside of pics 21,22,23 crack has a lil cement over it, rod hole has a lil dab of thin-damproof crap on it, NOT IN IT, just on wall surface...it leaks. Also one course of unprotected bricks and mortar joints below grade. The CODES for basement waterproofing are blcchhttt,WAKE UP and change the mfrs.

So what`s the inside gangs answer? They don`t take drywall/paneling off...a few who might will take a lil off bottom so they can put their inside terd system in for ya, great. What about eyeballing and getting-to...... repairing/packing those rod holes,cracks? What? Just leave em open and allow water to march right in?

What about the stuuupid MOLD behind the drywall `n insulation? Just leave that too and let it get worse? Fkkg nimrods. Many OTHER peeps have THIS SAME SHTT, ya best take a good dang look behind yer drywall or sheeting some of these inside co`s put against the stuuupid walls.....and when (not if) ya see some delighful MOLD, call them up and see what they tell ya. DUMB AZZ scammers. You`d have to been given a PEA BRAIN, or do lots of drugs rektally to NOT see/understand what the hell is going on here.

Jeff Dunham with Bubba J <---Inside system salesman/owner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJvNUTL7gZM

Jeff Dunham `n Peanut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQI6j0r1zc

Jeff,Peanut and Jose Jalapeno...on a stiiick. Jose has somewhere to put his stiiick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DT41m86N4

Jeff and Walter/Arguing with myself pt 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gQkM...eature=related

[john bubber]

-Determining Responsibility on Hidden Damage http://www.doityourself.com/stry/hiddendamage

....3 years after....3,3,3,3....flooding in basement.
They remove paneling and see major foundation damage....problem not disclosed and HI didn`t see it due to paneling hiding wall(s)...of course.

Engineer determined problem/damage due to improperly installed drainage system and contractor who installed the frenchie-drain-system agreed to pay $5,000,but total repair costs apparently is around $20,000, is seller liable?

Hmmmmm, Got MILK???

Several questions/thoughts....................
-When did homeowner have the 'drainage system'installed....and why?
Was the paneling already up against wall(s) or did the SELLER put the shtt up to hide-conceal cracks/bowed wall etc?
Obviously if seller knew wall(s) were cracked/bowed/leaked and put paneling up to conceal then, they should be on the hook.

It`s possible the seller TRIED to find a competent contractor and thought they found one `n hired them and who told them all they needed was this drainage system(i`m gonna fkg assume it was an INSIDE System that was installed,ok?)
Now, if the dipshtt-contractor told them this was all they needed to 'correct-remedy' the cracks/damage to wall(s) then, the dumb azz contractor got off cheap, incompetent sob`s.

Regardless of incompetent contractor, IF HO placed paneling agst walls then imo its their azz for not disclosing the damage and masking it.

On the other hand, the 'paneling' that was placed against the walls could have been put on by dipshht contractor(that bright-wall blcchtt some inside co`s use).....buncha SHTT.

As Barry points out, its possible the seller didn`t know...maybe it was the owner BEFORE this one who had shtt done, not enough info in story....dammmittt. We have certainly seen some sellers intentionally HIDE a crack, a wall by placing paneling etc against it and have also seen these dumb azz Inside Co`s place their-sheeting blccchtt agst part or wall of a wall

As for the engineer apparently saying the damage was due to improperly installed drainage system, from hundreds of miles away...thats nonsense.

If this was an inside system then it has nothing to do with cracks in walls,bowed walls.....other than, it should NOT have been recommended as any sort of remedy....it was UNNECESSARY and negligent to put the ***** in.

If it was an exterior french drain, same thing.....unnecessary,incompetent and was NOT going to relieve/lessen lateral soil pressure or roots or whatever the CAUSE(S) were. An exterior french drain or an inside drainage system does NOT remove expanding-contracting soil pressure,roots,porch footings etc 'IF' that was part-all of cause. A properly or improperly installed inside err outside french drain system is not the 'cause'.

Yeah Barry, this could happen to any of us (selling a house) but could also happen to any of us as BUYERS too.

http://geology.com/articles/expansive-soil.shtml
Quite a bit of this was in previously posted U S Army Corps Eng 'LRB' and 'Amherst' links.
When i eyeball the 'expansive soils map'.....and look at S.E. Mich, the map shows SE MI in brown....they have brown as, 'soils that contain little to no clays with swelling potential'. I say BLLCHTTT. Been hand digging in this shtt expansive CLAY for decades!!! Blue-brown-reddish etc CLAY baby! Right here, we see it,wear it, sniff it every week!

Whats Walter say? DUMB Azz!
Jeff Dunham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gQkM...eature=related

And some fantasy football owners....
why do some 'drop' the likes of D Brees,D McNabb,R Bush, M Turner etc?
if yer the one who grabs em off the waiver wire its GREAT!
sure makes ya wonder how much they have upstairs.

[john bubber]

Basement Waterproofing: Don`t Get....poked!
http://magazine.angieslist.com/Story...roofing_july02

Some facts in article......iron out a few things
Tom K is wrong, my 2 cents.....ANYONE who says/assumes "95% of leaky basements can be FIXED by gutter cleaning ,grading soil away ,
and extending downspouts at least 15-20' away"

Example- All THAT might do is, divert some SURFACE water....away from the PROBLEM, 'IF and when' the PROBLEM is an exterior crack or other pathway (loose-cracked parging on outside of hollow-block wall). The PROBLEM is not repaired/waterproofed by extending downspouts,gutter cleaning,slope soil away.....it has not been SOLVED.

When the HO`s problems/openings are around basement WINDOWS or, open mortar joints etc....then sloping DA soil,extending downspouts etc doesn`t SOLVE/repair these openings either now does it.

And when the HO`s problem is due to a basement BACK UP or leaky plumbing fixture or condensation then sloping DA soil,downspout extensions etc cannot SOLVE this shtt either....sheesh.

No, so sorry......95% of all leaky basements are NOT 'fixed' by this kinda crap. Lil TIP fer ya....find,locate where/how the water is FIRST entering and then....FIX the dammm thing!

......OK, now where they talk about the HISTORY of waterproofing , BORN in Ohio? HUH??? Ya mean......INSIDE SYSTEMS were BORN in Ohio!!!
Let`s get real!! Hmmmmm, so Capizzo Construction/Waterproofing, Stremersch etc etc here in MI who`ve been around since mid 70`s don`t count? Put it this way, PART of the BEGINNING of SCREWING homeowners w/inside systems/high pressure sales tactics BLLCHTTT......was BORN in OH.

The NAWSRC 'standards'? 'No contractor shall use any representations that may have the effect of soliciting business through FALSE intimidations....' Well, quite a dang few members STILL use FALSE claims/blchtt misreperesentations. They have 10,20,30++ customer complaints just within the last 36 months, knock knock.

'Number of complaints FALLING over past several years'. Maybe then, NOT NOW!

Here`s a Nawsrc member, if they really wanna CLEAN HOUSE in their ORG, what ya waiting for? ...Massachusetts State Board..."concluded that XYZ Water-diverting Systems violated the Home Imp Contractor law;INCLUDING abandoning or failure to perform contracts, MISREPRESENTATIONS (ding ding ding, what do we have for them Johnny?), and violation of building laws".....suspended company license fer a year. Wonderful! Now they`re right back at it.

Supposedly, they put some companies to a test at writers house, all of them were 'polite'. LOLOL Thats one house, what about all the constant BLCCHTT still going on, in MANY states....screw one test. Shhtt, i`d be extremely polite too if i had been soaking the shtt outta many homeowners for hundreds of thousands, i might even kiss dat azz....NEVER!

Oh hey, Mr Andras..... you didn`t update yer frenchie-Fuqua-drain tile blog. Instead of yapping about the 'history of drain tiles' on yer blog, maybe put some REAL g dammm helpful-insightful facts on it. And maybe you should resolve those customer complaints ya have.

Research? After all the shtt, guy still says ....' before hiring a basement waterproofer, check that he is a MEMBER of nawsrc'. Well, that leaves Capizzo out, leaves my azz out, leaves out Stremersch,EOF,Downriver,SDW,Geiser etc. Hmmm, that leaves out contractors who`ve been in business for 20-40 years and have NO g dammmmm complaints, no visits from the Atty General.

George Carlin/BIG Blcchtt Businessman SMILE...Polite? 'Service the account'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_knQsNb7SdI

Ace Ventura/Einhorn is Finkel,Finkel is EINHORN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSPtSEIlp8A

[john bubber]

French Drain Video w/Hugh http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...KImK4ALXz5GKBQ

Ummm, the rain that lands 5-10' away from the french drain, where ya think it goes? Ya think it all goes into the frenchie drain? NO, so sorry.
Lots O` luck with that.

Mister Rogers Neighborhood, Got Milk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7YUu3ZPsGY

[john bubber]

Garbage in, garbage out.
http://agcares.ag.state.oh.us/public...aspx?id=119106

http://cleveland.e-asp.net/Nis4/bbbr...12000042001534


http://agcares.ag.state.oh.us/public...ry.aspx?id=284

http://www.akron.bbb.org/newsearch2....mID=0272004046


http://agcares.ag.state.oh.us/public....aspx?id=92726

http://centralohio.bbb.org/WWWRoot/R...0302&firm=1174

[john bubber]

ATL chapter offers great speakers who are experts.... Aquaguard Basement SYSTEMS http://www.nachiatlanta.org/default....ive_page_id=71

Hey,may i ask ya`s....how much greenie ya pay these guys,huh? sheesh

Says Tom is an industry expert and regulary teaches and speaks to several HI orgs. HI ya Tom. http://www.aquaguard.net/bios.php?id=10

Crawls Space and Basement Solutions,certified waterproofing professional? ATL chapter guest speaker http://www.crawlspace-basementsolutions.com/wet --Wall crack leaks....'ATTEMPTED to dig.....and apply a patch...these efforts have produced temporary or NO relief at all??? Are you serious? And this is an EXPERT guest speaker? lololol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jimmy K, Olshan expert `n guest speaker http://www.olshanfoundation.com/cont...ater-lock-plus
...'Today, if your waterproofing contractor is not using the Water Lock Plus System, you (and your home) are throwing your hard-earned money down the drain'.

Is that right Jimmy? Got some news fer ya, this is just another incompetent statement `n false claim. Damn skippy!

Just like A-B-C Dry, they think water enters 5 fives ways.... http://www.olshanfoundation.com/cont...ters-your-home

Use their numbers....
3 and 4... the real deal is water can ENTER through exterior cracks,loose-cracked parging,openings where service lines enter through a wall etc and/or, openings from ground level(grade) UP....some of these are open mortar joints,cracked-loose bricks,openings around `n under basement windows or doors etc.

1,2,5 if water enters UP through a floor crack then its due to either a blockage between the house `n street (basement back up) or, if there is an existing sump and pit then there is a problem w/the stupid sump pump and/or there can be a blockage in the drain tile that empties into the pit and/or there are no openings UP high in pit-wall isdes, right under the thickness of basement floor and HO will need to drill/create some holes in sides of pit-wall to allow a build up/accumulation of water under the floor to enter the stupid pit faster instead of the water coming up through floor cracks.

1,2,5 Water 'could' also show up,come up at gaps along wall-floor joint due to, SAME CHTT....same chtt again is a blockage under floor or between house/floor and the street or, if drain tile that empties into sump pit ever becomes clogged or, the need to create/dill openings in sides of sump pit-wall.

Water that is seen INSIDE, along wall-floor joint is OFTEN misdiagnosed as being some blccchtt hydrostatic pressure problem that can only, magically be solved by an inside-system....blccchttt! Can you say fraud? I certainly can...F R A U D. Most often (not always) the water that is entering along wall-floor joint is from it FIRST-entering through exterior openings...#3,4.....except when flooding occurs.

There are times when water will come UP through a space/gap along wall-floor joint, especially/only when flooding occurs, may be due to sump pump can`t keep up,burns out,no power back-up,or if house was built where it prolly shouldn`t have been like on very wet/always saturated/high az water table(you may need 2-3 sumps to keep up with amount of water instead of the ONE the builder put in)...shtt like that.And again, it could be from a blockage between house `n street. Does NOT mean HO needs an inside drain tile or baseboard system,nonsense!

3 ways water ENTERS....actually FIRST enters.... 1)through cracks,rod holes/openings in basement walls 2) through openings ABOVE basement walls 3) from UNDERNEATH basement floors. 1,2,3.....1,2,3....1,2,3......not 5. And some HO`s will have a combination of the above 3 ways water first enters, THROUGH the wall,ABOVE the wall and/or under the stupid floor.




On another note, BBB has nothing on this guy http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2008/mar/mar4a_08.html

http://search.newyork.bbb.org/report...age=1&id=58331

Maybe put the coffee and doughnuts down fer a few minutes and update the report


Dave Matthews/The Space Between...'these TWISTED games we`re playing'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvkX3t5LgVI

[john bubber]

Recent leaky basement court case
http://www.aaron.ca/columns/2008-07-26.htm


Buying a house w/finished basement? What`s the real condition of those basement walls, huh?
http://www.aaron.ca/columns/2007-06-30.htm



Savoy Brown/Hellbound Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA0k0FX44I0

Manfred Mann/Father of Day Father of Night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDiBt...eature=related

Manfred Mann/Mighty Quinn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnQFm...eature=related

The Foundations/Baby,Now That I`ve Found You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZ4H...eature=related

The Vogues/You`re The One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFMKR...eature=related

Gary Puckett(not Kirby) & the Union Gap/Lady Willpower
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqn03...eature=related

Len Barry/1-2-3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEq6e...eature=related

[john bubber]

Got Milk?
http://www.gthree.net/dry_basements

2 pictures...... "when i took this photo, this basement had a waterproofing-system that, as it turned out, was actually the main source of their water problem. I removed the system,plugged the holes in the floor and walls left by it and sanitized the floor and walls from all the mold caused by it".

"The waterproofing system was on two walls.You can see the plastic panels at the bottom of the walls. Water is meant to collect between the panels and wall, then drain into a pipe beneath the floor. Primarily, its the panels that cause the mold to proliferate and enter the home`s environment. I can think of no better way to poison a home`s indoor air..."

Disagree in-part on the...'panels primarily cause the mold'. Panels do not help STOP water from entering and 'could-cause' some condensation to occur between basement wall and the panels but often (not always) the water is entering through the wall from the outside thus it must be stopped outside.

Overall, what is in ink here is correct.

Where he says.......i don`t mince words...
"I don`t believe in "aftermarket" waterproofing systems for several reasons:
-they don`t address the problem
-they only deal with the symptoms
-they are not approved by building code councils or environmental organizations, which is very important because they can affect both the structural integrity of your home and INCREASE MOLD levels SUBSTANTIALLY, causing an unhealthy indoor environment.... (NO CHTT, way overdue for some fkg LAWSUITS!!!)
-they`re VERY EXPENSIVE (hello? ding ding ding)
-there are alot of fly-by-not companies out there providing this service

Somebody else seems to get a BIG chunk of the smelly-ripoff-companies doing these INSIDE SYSTEMS. Say again, they are NOT experts on basement waterproofing.

'SOME' good points here, have to scroll down to last-link....5 Steps to a Dry Basement http://www.google.com/search?sa=N&ta...ce%20complaint

82 part III Sound Advice
2nd para...'there is a common piece of advice going around that I believe was initiated largely by home inspectors. That is that raising the grade etc ...
can effectively alleviate basement seepage. The problem with this remedy is that its not specific enough.......this generic warning takes focus away from the SPECIFIC PROBLEM areas.

I`ll just add that its ok.....ok ok ok ok ok....to.....raise the grade `n shtt BUT, as was said, it does not SOLVE/REPAIR a fkg thing. Tired of hearing from 'some' who dunno CHTT on THIS subject, that raising-sloping the grade can solve 90% of ALL basement leaks. This is pure nonsense/incompetence.

Back to book chtt, scroll up a tad to INTERIOR Sealers....
For those who sell inside chtt,stick dat in yer pipe and breathe deep and blow it out yer azz. Go ahead and apply 69 coats of drylok etc but ya better STOP any water intrusion problem first.

-Misconceptions
Like roof leaks, dealing with basement seepage is about education and TAKING THE TIME......to determine the actual problem(s).

-Aftermarket Water-screwme-Systems
The array of systems includes....
Plastic panels against interior basement walls combined with drain lines(tiles) under floor
Drain lines alone buried beneath the basement floor near outside walls
Trenches filled w/gravel beneath basement floor
And every combination of the above

Some are refered to as "French drains". A sump or basin is often included with these systems...

Anyone recommending-installing a LOSER Inside System without determining how/where the water is FIRST ENTERING the g dammm basement is a dumb az, period end of story.


Dave Matthews/The Space Between
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvkX3t5LgVI

Jerry/The Nutty Professor/Leap Frog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6oig...eature=related

[john bubber]

Deeeetroit MI, couple blocks away from Tiiiiiiiiger Stadium, supposedly built 1870 `s....ummm, combination block,brick,poured...mostly block. http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailsh...6/t_=122238283

2) tiles were about 1' underground,under concrete....drive-side. Has ZERO to do with why/how water was entering joints and other openings.

5) is where tile....was. A few inches off basement wall,along wall.

6) exactly where water was entering INSIDE basement, along wall-floor joint, at-near corner. See any openings on the outside?

7-11) no parging, no nothin. Just like most crawlpsaces, there ain`t squat on the OUTSIDE on the blocks to protect joints/blocks and stop water,insects etc from entering.

12) only thing that helped lessen the amount of water that would enter was the bottom 3' was backfilled w/sand.

15,16) uneven wall....NOT gonna fk around and try to grind some concrete off stupid wall. All joints,holes,blocks have been sealed w/hydraulic cement and then thick mastic applied,all pea stone backfill.

Homeowners Dad tried screwing w/these leaks for years,trying to divert surface water etc.....need to get-to all openings and waterproof `em.

17,18 pretty much done. Total of 23' ....cost $1,875, not as deep. The one INSIDE Co. who showed up wanted $5,000 for inside system,very small basement.Inside DIPSHTT Owner told them they have hydrostatic pressure problem under the stupid basement floor,BLCCHTTT,J Kristmas! Now, how da chtt will ANY Inside system STOP water from entering those exterior holes,joints? NOT gonna happen....ever!

And no exterior drain tiles along footings, no surprise. Exterior tiles has NOTHING to do with why/where water would enter the blocks. These people get no water coming up through floor,house is about 1 mile,maybe less, away from Detroit river.

Next house in Warren....Styrofoam USA, over 8' DEEP http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailsh...6/t_=122238283

Poured wall, HO had a vertical crack `n leak on side-wall we did 8 years ago,same Styro,same crap backfill etc.

Pics 7,10,11) When the SOIL SETTLED after it was built-backfilled, it pulled down some of the TAR at-along the TOP...not good...nope. Now those areas are exposed. Thats why its best to backfill w/most-all gravel. Sand is ok but will settle MORE than gravel thus it will also pull down tar and/or tar can come-off onto soil.

8,9) hairline vertical crack that runs into vertical-seam

12) 8' 4" to footing.

16) done. Where is all the supposed damage that always gets done to landscaping....according to some so-called experts? Nonsense, Its a freakin` LIE. Cost $950, and it`ll be the last 8' deep for that price


Nutty Professor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6oig...eature=related

Nutty Professor/Kelp hangover
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLjPj...eature=related

Jeff Dunham `n Walter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LBEWpjdp_4

[john bubber]

Tar was used as waterproofing material by 3,500 yr old Mexican civilization
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/..._10085444.html

Got Milk?

Jeff Dunham and Walter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LBEWpjdp_4

James Gang/Take A Look Around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuqZQiwc4UE